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	<title>Comments on: Defenders of anti-gay marriage ban in Nevada ask Supreme Court to hear Sevcik v. Sandoval</title>
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		<title>By: Prop 8 Trial Tracker &#187; A look at the petition to the Supreme Court in Sevcik v. Sandoval</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2012/12/05/defenders-of-anti-gay-marriage-ban-in-nevada-ask-supreme-court-to-hear-sevcik-v-sandoval/#comment-317765</link>
		<dc:creator>Prop 8 Trial Tracker &#187; A look at the petition to the Supreme Court in Sevcik v. Sandoval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] who has intervened in Lambda Legal&#8217;s challenge to the ban Sevcik v. Sandoval in its defense, petitioned the Supreme Court to take up the case before judgment at the appeals court (where it was appealed a few days [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who has intervened in Lambda Legal&#8217;s challenge to the ban Sevcik v. Sandoval in its defense, petitioned the Supreme Court to take up the case before judgment at the appeals court (where it was appealed a few days [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Baltimore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in Baltimore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 02:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the irreplaceable foundation of the optimal childrearing mode&quot; 
 
So they are against adoption? 
 
And they think two people have to be married to &#039;produce&#039; children? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;the irreplaceable foundation of the optimal childrearing mode&quot; </p>
<p>So they are against adoption? </p>
<p>And they think two people have to be married to &#039;produce&#039; children? </p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Response briefs are due Jan. 7, then it&#039;s generally a week or so later that it&#039;s distributed to a conference. If this petition follows a normal schedule, it won&#039;t even be considered in a conference until mid-February at the earliest.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response briefs are due Jan. 7, then it&#039;s generally a week or so later that it&#039;s distributed to a conference. If this petition follows a normal schedule, it won&#039;t even be considered in a conference until mid-February at the earliest.  </p>
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		<title>By: Straight Ally #3008</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2012/12/05/defenders-of-anti-gay-marriage-ban-in-nevada-ask-supreme-court-to-hear-sevcik-v-sandoval/#comment-317069</link>
		<dc:creator>Straight Ally #3008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops...looks like Jan 7.  Somehow that seems ridiculously fast.  Just fortuitous timing? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops&#8230;looks like Jan 7.  Somehow that seems ridiculously fast.  Just fortuitous timing? </p>
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		<title>By: Straight Ally #3008</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2012/12/05/defenders-of-anti-gay-marriage-ban-in-nevada-ask-supreme-court-to-hear-sevcik-v-sandoval/#comment-317068</link>
		<dc:creator>Straight Ally #3008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When would SCOTUS grant or deny cert?   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When would SCOTUS grant or deny cert?   </p>
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		<title>By: david0296</title>
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		<dc:creator>david0296</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Nevada ruling was laughable. If gays get married, then straights won&#039;t want to marry anymore. Yeah, right. Massachusetts has had marriage equality for over 9 years. There hasn&#039;t been a single straight couple living there that has boycotted &quot;marriage&quot;. If the judge is going to fabricate a reason to discriminate against gay Americans, he has an obligation to prove his argument is factual.  
 
I&#039;m actually embarrassed for these morons that had the temerity to forward this ruling to the Supreme Court. They truly are delusional.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nevada ruling was laughable. If gays get married, then straights won&#039;t want to marry anymore. Yeah, right. Massachusetts has had marriage equality for over 9 years. There hasn&#039;t been a single straight couple living there that has boycotted &quot;marriage&quot;. If the judge is going to fabricate a reason to discriminate against gay Americans, he has an obligation to prove his argument is factual.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m actually embarrassed for these morons that had the temerity to forward this ruling to the Supreme Court. They truly are delusional.  </p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The reality is that changing the meaning of marriage to that of &#8220;any two persons&#8221; will transform the institution profoundly, if not immediately then certainly over time&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Way to confuse facts with conjecture. The &lt;i&gt;reality&lt;/i&gt; is that it hasn&#039;t transformed immediately anywhere. There are no ifs. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The reality is that changing the meaning of marriage to that of &ldquo;any two persons&rdquo; will transform the institution profoundly, if not immediately then certainly over time</p></blockquote>
<p>Way to confuse facts with conjecture. The <i>reality</i> is that it hasn&#039;t transformed immediately anywhere. There are no ifs. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It would be horrible if the law backed a particular idea of marriage, but it would be awesome if it backed our idea of marriage, because it&#039;s the one in the Bible&quot; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;It would be horrible if the law backed a particular idea of marriage, but it would be awesome if it backed our idea of marriage, because it&#039;s the one in the Bible&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: Sagesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sagesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having digested this a bit overnight, thoughts to ponder: 
 
Quite apart from whether the Court would take it at this point, should they take it...  This neanderthal judgment would definitely benefit from the &#039;sober second thought&#039; of the appeals court, before the Supreme court considers it. 
 
Is this the right (best) &#039;right to marry&#039; case? 
 
Will the Perry plaintiffs weigh in on whether the Court takes this case (I believe they can do that), and would they favour or oppose it at this time? 
 
 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having digested this a bit overnight, thoughts to ponder: </p>
<p>Quite apart from whether the Court would take it at this point, should they take it&#8230;  This neanderthal judgment would definitely benefit from the &#039;sober second thought&#039; of the appeals court, before the Supreme court considers it. </p>
<p>Is this the right (best) &#039;right to marry&#039; case? </p>
<p>Will the Perry plaintiffs weigh in on whether the Court takes this case (I believe they can do that), and would they favour or oppose it at this time? </p>
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		<title>By: Str8Grandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Str8Grandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[page 26 
&lt;i&gt;the real-world foundation of the natural family as a buffer between family members and the state and as the situs of relational rights on which the state cannot impinge because it is neither the creator nor the dispenser of those rights&lt;/i&gt; 
 
They really start to dive into it starting in page 27 of .pdf 
 
&lt;i&gt;the irreplaceable foundation of the optimal childrearing mode&lt;/i&gt; 
 
&lt;i&gt;Although interacting with and influenced by other institutions such as law, property, and religion, marriage in our society is a distinct, unitary social institution and does not have two separate, independent existences, one &#8220;civil&#8221; and one &#8220;religious.&#8221;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
&lt;i&gt;In material ways, genderless marriage will be an institution radically different from the manwoman marriage institution.3 This radical difference between the two possible marriage institutions could not be otherwise: fundamentally different meanings, when magnified by institutional power and influence, produce divergent social identities, aspirations, projects, or ways of behaving and thus different social goods. To say otherwise would be to ignore the undisputed effects that social institutions have in the formation and transformation of individuals.4 The reality is that changing the meaning of marriage to that of &#8220;any two persons&#8221; will transform the institution profoundly, if not immediately then certainly over time as the new meaning is mandated in texts, in schools, and in many other parts of the public square and voluntarily published by the media and other institutions, with society, especially its children, thereby losing the ability to discern the meanings of the old institution.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
We demand the right to keep telling gays how evil and vile they are because the Bible says so! To transmit the meaning, but not the word religion, they used the word &quot;Doctrines&quot; in place of Religion. page 30 of the .pdf  
&lt;i&gt;Second, at the same time, a constitutionally mandated genderless marriage regime will effectively advance a particular conception of the moral equality of forms of 
sexuality, a conception grounded in the influential &#8220;comprehensive doctrines&#8221;8 of many Americans, particularly among the Nation&#8217;s elites, but one contested by the comprehensive doctrines of many other Americans.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Basically- we want to keep societal disapproval of sexual minorities, if gays can marry straight couples won&#039;t want to AND they will somehow stop making babies, granting entrance into the institution of Civil Marriage will change it (but I didn&#039;t notice them mentioning Loving v Virginia do you?) and make it less desirable to straight couples. Big argument on the David Blankenhorn &quot;de-institutionalization of Marriage&quot; most of their brief is on that. What have I missed? Oh yes CIVIL MARRIAGE must look like HOLY MARRIAGE, in other words the churches &quot;own&quot; the definition of Civil marriage not the Law.  
 
 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>page 26<br />
<i>the real-world foundation of the natural family as a buffer between family members and the state and as the situs of relational rights on which the state cannot impinge because it is neither the creator nor the dispenser of those rights</i> </p>
<p>They really start to dive into it starting in page 27 of .pdf </p>
<p><i>the irreplaceable foundation of the optimal childrearing mode</i> </p>
<p><i>Although interacting with and influenced by other institutions such as law, property, and religion, marriage in our society is a distinct, unitary social institution and does not have two separate, independent existences, one &ldquo;civil&rdquo; and one &ldquo;religious.&rdquo;</i> </p>
<p><i>In material ways, genderless marriage will be an institution radically different from the manwoman marriage institution.3 This radical difference between the two possible marriage institutions could not be otherwise: fundamentally different meanings, when magnified by institutional power and influence, produce divergent social identities, aspirations, projects, or ways of behaving and thus different social goods. To say otherwise would be to ignore the undisputed effects that social institutions have in the formation and transformation of individuals.4 The reality is that changing the meaning of marriage to that of &ldquo;any two persons&rdquo; will transform the institution profoundly, if not immediately then certainly over time as the new meaning is mandated in texts, in schools, and in many other parts of the public square and voluntarily published by the media and other institutions, with society, especially its children, thereby losing the ability to discern the meanings of the old institution.</i> </p>
<p>We demand the right to keep telling gays how evil and vile they are because the Bible says so! To transmit the meaning, but not the word religion, they used the word &quot;Doctrines&quot; in place of Religion. page 30 of the .pdf<br />
<i>Second, at the same time, a constitutionally mandated genderless marriage regime will effectively advance a particular conception of the moral equality of forms of<br />
sexuality, a conception grounded in the influential &ldquo;comprehensive doctrines&rdquo;8 of many Americans, particularly among the Nation&rsquo;s elites, but one contested by the comprehensive doctrines of many other Americans.</i> </p>
<p>Basically- we want to keep societal disapproval of sexual minorities, if gays can marry straight couples won&#039;t want to AND they will somehow stop making babies, granting entrance into the institution of Civil Marriage will change it (but I didn&#039;t notice them mentioning Loving v Virginia do you?) and make it less desirable to straight couples. Big argument on the David Blankenhorn &quot;de-institutionalization of Marriage&quot; most of their brief is on that. What have I missed? Oh yes CIVIL MARRIAGE must look like HOLY MARRIAGE, in other words the churches &quot;own&quot; the definition of Civil marriage not the Law.  </p>
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