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In Prop 8 case, proponents suggest that the “extreme edges” of “both sides” of the debate are “animated by hostility”

September 4, 2012

Prop 8

By Scottie Thomaston

The proponents of Proposition 8 appealed the case – now known as Hollingsworth v. Perry – to the Supreme Court, filing its petition for certiorari on July 31. On August 24, the plaintiffs filed their response to the petition, asking the Court to decline to review the narrowly-written decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The city and county of San Francisco also filed a response, asking the Court not to review the case.

In their response brief, the plaintiffs had argued that, though “the question whether the States may discriminate against gay men and lesbians in the provision of marriage licenses is the defining civil rights issue of our time” and the case might be “attractive” to the Justices, they should deny review because, (1) the Ninth Circuit correctly applied Supreme Court precedent (Romer v. Evans), (2) the Ninth Circuit’s decision does not conflict with any other decision in any court of appeals or in the Supreme Court, (3) there are Article III ‘standing’ – the legal right to appeal in federal court – present in this case, (4) if the Court does not think Romer was applied properly, alternative grounds still lead to the conclusion that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional, because gays and lesbians have a due process and equal protection right to marry.

In their reply to the plaintiffs’ response, the proponents of Proposition 8 take on all of these claims one by one. First, they describe the issues at stake in this litigation as nationally important, and write that, “the decision below warrants review even if it could plausibly be confined to California: surely a highly controversial two-to-one decision placing the traditional, age-old definition of marriage “outside the arena of public debate and legislative action,” Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702, 720(1997), in a State that is home to nearly one out of every eight Americans warrants this Court’s attention.”

In Romer v. Evans, the Supreme Court struck down Amendment 2 to the Colorado state constitution. The amendment would have eliminated existing non-discrimination ordinances in the state, removing protections for gays and lesbians. Plaintiffs argued that the Ninth Circuit applied the decision to this case appropriately, because Proposition 8 was designed to take away the existing right to marry by state constitutional amendment. But the proponents argue instead that the Supreme Court suggested instead that, “Amendment 2 established an “unprecedented” and “sweeping and comprehensive” ban on any legal protectionsfor gays and lesbians against “an almost limitless number of transactions and endeavors that constitute ordinary civic life in a free society [...] The amendment, in short, deemed gays and lesbians “stranger[s] to [Colorado’s] laws[.]”” Since the definition of marriage does not go that far, they argue, it’s an error to apply Romer to this case.

The proponents then suggest that the Ninth Circuit’s decision conflicts with a Supreme Court decision, Crawford v. Board of Education, because, “Crawford emphatically “reject[ed] the contention that once a State chooses to do ‘more’ than the Fourteenth Amendment requires, it may never recede.” This answers a point that plaintiffs had made about Crawford in their reply brief, when they wrote that, “Proponents repeatedly point to Crawford’s language “‘reject[ing] the contention that once a State chooses to do ‘more’ than the Fourteenth Amendment requires, it may never recede.’” Pet. 4 (quoting 458 U.S. at 535); Pet. 15 (same). But they ignore the important corollary to that rule: Crawford, even before Romer, recognized that “if the purpose of repealing legislation is to disadvantage a . . . minority, the repeal is unconstitutional for this reason.” 458 U.S. at 539 n.21. Crawford, just like Romer and the decision below, therefore examined the purposes allegedly served by the amendment—for example, “the educational benefits of neighborhood schooling”—by looking at the state court’s findings and the relevant campaign literature. Id. at 543-44. Unlike Romer and this case, however, there was ample evidence in Crawford to demonstrate that Proposition I was “not motivated by a discriminatory purpose.”

Proponents argue, again, that a one-sentence summary dismissal “for want of a substantial federal question” in Baker v. Nelson – a case involving same-sex marriage and equal protection – in 1972, is on point in this litigation.

The proponents argue that the “extreme edges” of “both sides” of the debate on same-sex marriage are “animated by hostility or irrational fears and prejudice.” (“It is true, of course, that at the extreme edges of both sides of this public debate are those who are animated by hostility or irrational fears and prejudice,” their brief states.)

“The voices at the extremes can be heard whenever divisive social issues implicating deeply held values are debated,” they suggest.

In a footnote, they elaborate on this argument, writing that, “Respondents attempt to smear millions of Californians who supported Proposition 8 with a handful of carefully selected snippets from the cacophony of messages that were before the voters – and even with testimony from trial that obviously was not before the voters.”

Regarding their legal right to appear in federal court, they write, “[a] State unquestionably has standing to defend the validity of its laws, both in the first instance and on appeal” and “the question who is authorized to represent the State’s interest in the validity of its laws is plainly an issue of state law.” The Ninth Circuit had certified the question of standing for ballot initiative proponents in California to the California supreme court, which ruled that ballot initiative proponents can represent the state’s interest in defending the initiative.

And while San Francisco had argued that the Supreme Court should let the issue of marriage equality “percolate” in the lower courts before it reviews the issue, proponents suggest, “the issues presented by this case have “percolated” for years in numerous state and federal courts, and there is very little, if anything, to be gained by delaying this Court’s inevitable consideration of them. Besides, this Court will very likely consider this Term the constitutionality of the traditional definition of marriage anyway in connection with the DOMA case, and this Court’s analysis would no doubt be assisted by considering at the same time the validity of this definition as adopted by a State.”

The Court could decide to take up the petition at its September 24 conference, or in early October.

h/t Kathleen for this filing

12-144 Proponents’ Reply

17 Comments Leave a Comment

  • 1. Mykelbarber  |  September 4, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    The conflation that the "left" is motivated by hostility is garbage. If we were hostile we would have filed our own referendum striking down ALL MARRIAGE LAWS and instituting civil partnerships for everyone. I call complete bullshit on the proponents of Proposition 8.

  • 2. Scottie Thomaston  |  September 4, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    I thought it was pretty bizarre. Those who want to get married are "animated by hostility? Really?

  • 3. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    We could all go back to the trial transcript looking for the evidence of hostility presented by the Proponents…

  • 4. Jim  |  September 4, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    This is a normal line of defense for the other side, act like the ones offended, the ones being picked on, just to get the non-thinking citizens of the US on their side.

  • 5. Lady Mabelyne  |  September 4, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Lord Devlin redux

  • 6. sfbob  |  September 5, 2012 at 12:53 am

    Were I an attorney (which I'm not), and I'd filed the brief that the proponents of Prop 8 filed, I'd be ashamed of myself. The brief contests arguments which the plaintiffs did not make and opinions which the court did not issue, it engages in appeals to emotion, and stoops to name-calling…all while accusing the opposition and the judges who decided case of precisely those things. Whenever a sentence suggests that the "definition of marriage" is in question, it's pretty much a dead giveaway to the fact that the remainder of the filing is going to be essentially a waste of paper. There are high school students with a better grasp of the question than what is argued here.

  • 7. sfbob  |  September 5, 2012 at 12:55 am

    Well perhaps. But the case is not being argued before the citizenship at large, it's being argued in a court of law. Propaganda has no place in a legal brief if the individuals filing that brief want to have even a shred of credibility.

  • 8. Steve  |  September 5, 2012 at 4:51 am

    Religious people always project madly

  • 9. Steve  |  September 5, 2012 at 4:54 am

    Also, the DOMA issue is a completely different matter and they know it. DOMA isn't about a fundamental right to marriage.

  • 10. Mud  |  September 5, 2012 at 7:05 am

    I don't think it reasonable to expect them to file a brief, with nothing but blank sheets of paper. A hail marry pass hoping some mud will stick against the wall..

  • 11. Jay  |  September 5, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Unfortunately, the decision the Court makes as to grant cert or not will probably have little or nothing to do with the actual briefs filed. The Justices have no doubt followed the case with some interest and will have to decide whether they want to intervene at this stage. I suspect the decision will have less to do with issues of law than with questions of policy.

  • 12. Carpool Cookie  |  September 5, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I used to be harder on "religious" people and categorize them all as delusional…but this site has made me rethink that stance, as there are many faiths that accept Marriage Equality now, and there are members of this site and other supportive sites (like Mormons for Marriage) that have done a lot. The thing I'm uncomfortable with is fundamentalists who do not believe in a separation of church + state…and they are a different category.

  • 13. Carpool Cookie  |  September 5, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Re: "Propaganda has no place in a legal brief"

    But they have so little else to draw on, what choice do they have? They're kind of backed into a corner like cagy, disoriented rats, scrabbling for any foothold.

  • 14. Straight Ally #3008  |  September 5, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Absolutely. To borrow a page from the late Christopher Hitchens, fundamentalism poisons everything.

  • 15. Straight Ally #3008  |  September 5, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Shorter Prop 8 proponents: don't stop our gravy train and make us get real jobs!

  • 16. Mark Mead-Brewer  |  September 5, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Thank you CC :-)

  • 17. Mike in Baltimore  |  September 6, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    "They don't like us, so that means they hate us." (The mantra of the fundies.)

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