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North Carolina’s anti-gay Amendment 1: necessary to “protect the caucasian race”? Updated w/ video

Marriage equality

By Scottie ThomastonGoal Thermometer

UPDATE 1: Link to VIDEO is here.

Daily Kos and The Huffington Post are reporting that the wife of one of the legislators who sponsored the anti-gay Amendment 1 in North Carolina has said the purpose of the amendment is to “protect the caucasian race.” The proponents of the amendment have said in a TV ad that the purpose of the amendment is “only” to define marriage as between a man and a woman, and that it won’t affect domestic partnerships or civil unions. This is contrary to the proponents’ own research which says “[t]he proposed Amendment will bar not only same-sex marriages, but also recognition or validation of civil unions and domestic partnerships that constitute legal substitutes for the marriage relationship.” But they’ve stuck with this claim and their supporters have been trying to tell voters they are compassionate, moderate people who only want to pass a very narrow amendment to prevent “activist judges” from interfering with the institution of marriage.

But it’s hard to keep track of where this campaign is going these days. The Washington Post is reporting on comments made by a pro-Amendment 1 pastor in North Carolina, seemingly advocating violence against children. He had talked about cracking a child’s wrist if it’s “limp” among other things. Now he says:

Harris says he does not advocate hitting children and wishes he could take back the remarks.

He says he stands by his belief that “the word of God makes it clear that effeminate behavior is ungodly.”

Of course, this story is not going particularly well for supporters of the amendment. State and national media was already growing ever more skeptical of the campaign based on the shift in poll numbers and the tactics employed to convey a false message that the amendment would do less than the actual language suggests. And this new revelation that lawmakers wanted to legislate white supremacy comes a day after we reported that someone filmed themselves shooting at their neighbor’s No on Amendment 1 sign, and cops swarmed the man’s house. The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has had to weigh in on these new developments and denounce the violent actions of these supporters of the amendment.

Needless to say, with opponents putting ads on the air featuring the Wake County ADA pointing out the fact that the amendment would eliminate protections against domestic violence and make her job harder, and other ads from victims of domestic violence, it is assumed that the proponents would want to distance themselves from pro-violence positions as much as possible. For some reason, that doesn’t seem to be happening here. They seem to be allowing their efforts to be defined as a pro-violence, pro-bigotry and not simply pro-Bible.

The proponents started losing control of the message weeks ago and with a week to go before the vote, we are starting to see what this is really all about.

What you can do to help defeat Amendment One:Goal Thermometer

1. Contribute to the campaign on ActBlue so they have the resources they need to get our message out.

2. Sign up for a Courageous Conversation about Amendment One with someone you know in NC.

3. Follow the campaign on Facebook and Twitter.

4. Download social media tools and yard signs to show your opposition to Amendment 1.

5. Volunteer to Call for Equality – a GOTV phone banking effort against Amendment 1.

6. Sign up to help get out the vote in NC yourself! Courage Campaign is arranging out-of-state caravans and travel assistance is available.

64 Comments

  • 1. Richard Lyon  |  May 2, 2012 at 11:48 am

    The story has now been picked up by a regular NC paper.
    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2012/may/02/1/sen

    Hopefully some of the electorate will think twice about this.

  • 2. Gregory in SLC  |  May 2, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Is this really the way to promote religion? Perhaps Pastor Harris should read his own Bible…just sayin…

    He says he stands by his belief that “the word of God makes it clear that effeminate behavior is ungodly.”

  • 3. Michelle Evans  |  May 2, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    So, according to this pastor, all women are to be shunned when he states:

    "The word of God makes it clear that effeminate behavior is ungodly.”

    Guess under his world view all women had better Man-Up before they are all struck by lightning for their effeminate behavior. (And just for the record, that phrase of 'man-up' is about the most abhorrent one I can think of. I cringe every time someone uses it. The entire idea behind it leads to violence against gay and trans people every day. Just look at the guy who beat the boy baby to death a couple years ago because he felt the child was too effeminate. Maybe he was a parishioner of this North Carolinian pastor.)

  • 4. Adam Bink  |  May 2, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    This is now covered at Huffington Post mothership and Talking Points Memo. Hopefully should help drive down African-American support, which is now at 51%.

  • 5. Sagesse  |  May 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    @

  • 6. Reformed  |  May 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Oh what a circus, oh what a show. This . . . and . . . saw that the North Carolina Campaign Sign Shooter (I like the sound of that) lied about the "no one 1" sign being placed in his yard. Turns out he stole the sign, pretended that someone else had placed it in his yard, and the proceeded to shoot it. Can you believe this?

  • 7. Glen  |  May 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    If despite ALL of that has come to light about this Amendment and the extensive and diverse list of those who oppose it in North Carolina, it STILL passes, then that will tell us A LOT about who the people of North Carolina really are.

    Instead of the progressive 21st century leader of the South, they will have demonstrated that they are little more than another 19th century mired Mississippi or Alabama.

  • 8. Jamie  |  May 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    I see that you failed to mention the latest poll that shows support for the amendment is steady at 55% with less than a week to go. I see on my Facebook feed that Rep. Brawley supports the amendment and every single person that is able to comment on his post said "amen".

  • 9. Straight Ally #3008  |  May 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Whew, for a second there I thought this was religiously motivated….

  • 10. North Carolina’s an&hellip  |  May 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm

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  • 11. rich  |  May 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    So Jamie, do you support the idea that this referendum is necessary to support the Caucasian race?

  • 12. Michael Scott  |  May 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    My parents in NC just emailed me the following:

    "Two people in NC today voted against bigotry and hatred."

    Attached was a picture of their I Voted Today sticker. They've come a long way… I remember years ago hearing my mom say that gays should never be allowed to get married. Having a gay son and a lesbian couple for best friends tends to change your thinking :) WAY TO GO MOM AND POP!

  • 13. Carpool Cookie  |  May 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    RE: "Perhaps Pastor Harris should read his own Bible…"

    He is probably refering to 1st Corinthians 6:9

    "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

  • 14. Scottie Thomaston  |  May 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Good to see you. It's been awhile.

  • 15. Jamie  |  May 2, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    I don't support the amendment at all. I also think we should be realistic about the fact that it's going to pass.

    I just think there are better ways to use the millions of dollars than to fight an amendment that was assured passage months ago. There simply isn't any strategy that will win this fight. I think it's dishonest for courage campaign to be soliciting donations using questionable tactics that include posts that ignore basic reality and facts.

    This site is always complaining about NOM and the spin that they give, but then goes and does the EXACT SAME THING. There's a word for that.

  • 16. Scottie Thomaston  |  May 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    There's also a word for cutting a 40+ point deficit down to a 12-14 point deficit in a few months with only a week of ads on TV. "Momentum."

  • 17. Jacob Combs  |  May 2, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Michael–thanks for your awesome message! Good for you and good for them!

    Jamie, you're right that months ago it did certainly seem that Amendment One was "assured passage." But today, it isn't. Yes, we're fighting an uphill battle. Yes, we might lose. Also, we might win. In face, we've got a good shot.

    Because of Amendment One, Michael's parents were able to show their support of their son in a public way. That's a victory right there, and I'm proud of that.

    If P8TT has a spin, it's this: we're hopeful. We're in favor of any chance to have conversations, change minds, and move closer to real wins. And, whenever possible, we're in favor of wins. I agree with you that we should look at situations pragmatically and weigh our odds. But if the other side picks a fight, like they did with Amendment One, I hope with all my heart that we take them on and push back against their lies. We're winning the long fight–just look at the polling numbers nationwide. With any luck, we'll win some shorter-term fights too.

  • 18. Jamie  |  May 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Do gay people get partial rights if the amendment passes by 55 percent as opposed to 95 percent? I didn't realize that was the case.

  • 19. Jamie  |  May 2, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Really? Polls are generally 5% off because people aren't comfortable telling even robotic pollsters that they are going to vote against gay people, but when they get into the voting booth, we all know what's going to happen. So it's about 60% to 40% as of today.

    So in 5 days the campaign that gave us three crappy commercials that didn't move one single person in the week that they aired (according the polls) is somehow going to get some 3 million people to change their minds and vote against an amendment that says what they believe to be true?

    Additionally, a significant amount of voters have already cast their votes. There are an ever dwindling group of voters that you could even try to convince. If some miraculous tideswell of support could have ever won this, that ended once people started walking into the election booths a few weeks ago and the campaign hadn't aired one single commercial at that time.

    Sometimes it takes courage to accept reality, admit you lost, and figure out the best way forward. Dumping more money into a losing campaign isn't going to do anything except waste money that could be used in a fight that can be won.

  • 20. bythesea  |  May 2, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    That would be profoundly stupid to do nearly a week before the election when there is significant momentum evident. Just what exactly is your purpose here?

  • 21. bythesea  |  May 2, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Do you really not see how the momentum of a defeat of this amendment would be important given the upcoming battles in other states this fall (not to mention the psychological importance to LGBTs that live in NC)?

  • 22. Reformed  |  May 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Areas like ashville and black mountain must want to succeed from the state by now.

  • 23. Scottie Thomaston  |  May 2, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    I am honestly unsure how it is "courage" to say that we lost an election that has not even happened yet. The election is in a week. How on earth is the "reality" that we "lost"? It hasn't even happened yet.

  • 24. Scottie Thomaston  |  May 2, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    We fight the battles we have, not just the ones we know we'll win ahead of time.

  • 25. Scott Wooledge  |  May 2, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    I do understand your own personal decision to give up and embrace defeat, with a week still on the clock.

    I'm not really sure why you're taken it on as a personal cause to evangelize everyone else in the LGBT community to also give up in defeat with you?

    Some people fight just to fight. And because it's the right thing to do, not because they are guaranteed a win. Not every lived to see the Civil Right Act passed, it took a long time. But every contribution was valuable.

    I personally would rather go down swinging than sit back and just let these Tea bagger racist Christian Talibaners have an easy time of it. If they're gonna win, I'm gonna bruise the fuck out of them on the way down, not just roll over like a wimp.

  • 26. Scott Wooledge  |  May 2, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    If only you'd concentrate tasking your energy to this:

    "figure out the best way forward."

  • 27. Reformed  |  May 2, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    NOM headline: Breaking: Leading marriage equality activist declares Courage Campaign dishonest, alleges SPIN! Concedes defeat!

    Not really. But would it surprise you? After all, Dan Savage became our leader all of the sudden. (and I always thought it was Ellen :) ) who knew?

    Jamie, there are no more landslides to be had for the ignorant/hate coalition. There is a reason for that. You might be right about the chances at this point, but good grieef (how do you spell that), the chances of you convincing anyone to stop trying in the few days before voting ends hasn't much either.

  • 28. grod  |  May 3, 2012 at 4:13 am

    Jamie, I respect your viewpoint in this post and earlier posts.
    You will not have heard of Alison Redford, the premier of Alberta, the wealthiest province per capita in Canada. She was just returned with a majority government on a higher than usual turnout.. All the polls and all the pundits, even in the minutes after the polls closed and TV coverage began, assumed she and her party would lose, or at optimistic best, would continue to govern with the support of a smaller party. Unheard of the premier canvassed on election day.
    Two things happened that explained the outcome of a majority. Two candidates from the vying party made discriminatory comments, about which their party leader did not denounce, and at the last second, enough voters of the left of center abandoned their parties and moved to support Redfort's party. Had Redford adopted your outlook she would not have achieved the solid majority that she did. "It ain't over 'til it's over", and no matter the outcome there are lessons to be learned. I agree the Alberta outcome was an exception. Just saying……

  • 29. Gregory in SLC  |  May 3, 2012 at 6:43 am

    Hopefully the money will pay off. It would seem, unlike Prop8, we are winning the $$$ war this time around:

    NC marriage amendment opponents hold money lead:
    http://www.jdnews.com/news/marriage-103435-money-

  • 30. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:08 am

    We aren't going to defeat this amendment. It's probably already been lost. The other side have huge numbers at early voting, before we ever even aired a commercial.

  • 31. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Maybe because the other side knows they don't need more money.

  • 32. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Again, there aren't enough registered voters left to vote in NC to make this sort of difference. It's just simply not possible.

  • 33. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:18 am

    I perfectly understand your preference to go down swinging.

    However, what courage is doing is misrepresenting the truth here. No mention of the poll numbers. Continually pushing the false premise that there is some hope here that the amendment can be defeated, then begging for money to accomplish something that I think that they know is impossible.

  • 34. Kate  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Because Jamie is really a NOMbie trying to masquerade as a supporter.

  • 35. Gregory in SLC  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:18 am

    gotta love the selective bible-quoting practiced by many Christians. I would encourage Pastor Harris to pay attention to the scriptures about "judge not, less you be judged" and commandment to "love one another". I would be interested to know the original/historical meaning of Corinthians 6:9, rather than the common-sense translation by P.H. Always nice to hear from you Cookie!

    p.s. no effeminate women allowed in heaven! ; )

  • 36. Steve  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:39 am

    The original Greek word there means "soft". The same word used for "soft clothing". So it's not at all clear what it actually mean when applied to people. Morally weak? Physically weak? It could mean effeminate, but in any case the later translation to "homosexual" is clearly a result of the social and political context of the time.

  • 37. Gregory in SLC  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Just a few days more until we find out….

  • 38. Sheryl_Carver  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Jamie,

    Please, please, just give it a rest.

  • 39. RAJ  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:13 am

    *small, unpleasant footnote:

    In the end, NOon8 (our side) actually raised MORE than the YESon8 side in 2008.
    Final tallies were:
    opponents of Prop 8 — $43.3 million
    proponents of Prop 8 — $39.9 million

    They just had better timing with their spending.

  • 40. Amy  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:24 am

    I'm one of the lucky LGBT folks who has Brunstetter as a senator here … so very proud. (Yark.)

    I got up the courage to go vote at our library in conservative Lewisville yesterday … I am angry and wasn't sure that my pre-rehearsed, glib response to the Vote FOR Marriage folks was going to keep me calm enough. Thankfully, it did, but I still had a pounding heart and angry tears when I reached the voting room and cast my vote AGAINST. "They" had four people out there; "we" only had one fabulous young man who was out there supporting our side. This afternoon, I'm going to go stand with whoever is there, just across the street from the elementary school where my son will be playing. It will feel like I'm standing between him and the proponents, protecting him.

  • 41. Amy  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:24 am

    As for whether it's a lost cause, FAR FROM IT. It stands a fair chance of being defeated. Keep in mind that the polling practice still uses the antiquated telephone — something that isn't going to catch many younger voters in its nets. The late-release commercials will roust some voters who don't have an interest in the rest of the primary to get out and vote against the measure. Never give up hope. The people of North Carolina are mostly good, even the sheople misguided by bigoted pastors. They need education.

  • 42. Gregory in SLC  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:32 am

    tx for clarification…yes this does matter:

    @ They just had better timing with their spending.

  • 43. AnonyGrl  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:39 am

    So we should back off and let NOM win? Because the surest way to guarantee we lose is to stop fighting. But the ONLY way for us to possibly win is to keep up the fight.

    And even if we lose this battle, we are winning the war. But the only way to win the war is to fight ALL the battles. Remember too that the momentum we build on each battle, win or lose, carries over to the next one. And each time we have a failure, it is by a closer margin. And the only wins we have spring from the willingness to keep on fighting.

    Jamie, we know we won't win them all. How about you focus on the ones you think we can win, and encourage us to work harder and more efficiently there, rather than continually dunning us for keeping up the harder, more complicated fights?

  • 44. Reformed  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:52 am

    You need a slim margin in case there is a last minute fall from grace of a highly placed "traditional marriage" advocate that leaves the public awakened and disgusted by the flood of hypocrisy. (think along the lines George Rekers).

  • 45. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:27 am

    NOM is going to win in North Carolina anyway. The only thing we did by fighting was to waste a ton of money that could have been used to actually win a battle somewhere else.

    I guess if you are interested in continuing to lose everywhere, this is a good way to get there. I am trying to to encourage you to work more efficiently. Stop wasting manpower and money on a battle that you can't win in North Carolina. How can I say it any clearer? Stop trying to trick people into donating money to a battle that was lost weeks ago by hiding information and poll results. Be honest. These people won't donate next time and they won't believe you when you say the next battle is winnable.

  • 46. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:28 am

    I'm not, but the personal attack is something I'd expect from an NOM supporter.

  • 47. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Sure. That's a good way to address the issue. Just stop discussing it.

  • 48. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Younger voters are the most notoriously fickle voters and vote at far lower numbers than virtually any other group. Remember that rally that Courage Campaign claimed was going to have 12,000 students in attendance? Well, around 100 or so showed up. That's the reality.

  • 49. Kate  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Yeah, that's me. Brian's best buddy.

  • 50. Sagesse  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Jamie, you've made your point. Those of us who believe this amendment is overreach and needs to be fought have given or will give. Doesn't mean we have been duped or misled. We choose which fights are worth supporting, and if you don't agree, then I guess we disagree.

    Enough already.

  • 51. Amy  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:53 am

    As may be, but the past three days has shown record voter turnout in the college/young adult demographic in the Triangle area. I'm thankful for them!

    Stay positive, folks, because even if we dip into these waters and find they're still too shallow, the tide is definitely turning. We're on our way to equality.

    And Jamie, I'm thankful for your skepticism. Without people like you, we might get complacent and forget how much hard work there is for us to do to reach that goal. Let's work, people!

  • 52. AnonyGrl  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:59 am

    You have missed the boat completely on that one Jamie. Kate is one of the best of us here.

    Her point is simply that your commentry of late has appeared to be that of a NOMbie, which is a valid one. You encouraging us to give up a fight very much flies in the face of what we do here. Your point may be a valid one in this instance, but it is not how we usually do business, and it does come off as very negative, especially with all the repeats. That is all.

  • 53. Sheryl_Carver  |  May 3, 2012 at 10:23 am

    You are merely rehashing, over & over again. That is not "discussing it."

  • 54. Scott Wooledge  |  May 3, 2012 at 10:53 am

    You are 100% focused on outcome, and 0% focused on process of activism.

    Yes, we may lose.

    But in the process of fighting, we've looped in NAACP, Labor, business leaders, over 400 faith leaders, politicians Democratic and Republican, and countless others to our side. These relationships and alliances will continue on May 9, after the vote is over, however it goes. And they'll prove valuable and fruitful in future battles, whether for discrimination protection, repeal of this amendment, HIV and homeless funding, or whatever else.

    You seem to imagine that some day, magically in the future, NC will just wake up and decide and turn to 50% + 1 majority in our favor, without people in the LGBT community having troubled themselves to spend a dime or an hour's time putting work into change.

    It won't work that way.

  • 55. bythesea  |  May 3, 2012 at 11:15 am

    You are posting factually incorrect information on this thread and are persisting in trying to discourage people in such a way that it does not seem to be simply someone feeling pessimistic. Your side must be feeling very nervous for some reason. GOOD.

  • 56. bythesea  |  May 3, 2012 at 11:18 am

    This is not true, nor are your assertions about who is turning out for early voting. Stop trying so hard…

  • 57. Gabriel  |  May 3, 2012 at 11:20 am

    You are seriously a fly in the punch bowl. Good thing you never fought on our side in any war… you'd be the first to concede and start giving away our positions just to say, "I told you so." Do you wake up every day and think, "what's the point? I'm already defeated."?

    I live in NC and I will fight on a losing side just as hard as I would on an obvious winning side. THE REASON IS THAT RIGHT IS RIGHT, WIN OR LOSE.

  • 58. Adam Bink  |  May 3, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Jamie:

    You come to the comments every day and say the EXACT SAME THING, except without arguments.

    The day you write a lengthy piece on why you think Amendment 1 will pass, I'll be interested. Until then, it's just the daily "Why bother? We'll lose! You are wasting your time." Arguments without justification are just blather.

  • 59. Jamie  |  May 3, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    That's not true at all. I totally understand activism. If that's the case, then this website should make it clear that the money they are raising is for activism.

    That's not what they are doing. They are painting a false picture of the likelihood of success and using it to swindle money out of people. That's the truth.

  • 60. Bob  |  May 3, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    ditto what Amy said,,,,, just reading this from Canada,,,,,, what an interesting debate,,, which brings energy , thanks to Jamie's skepticism,,,,,,,

    Im so glad Courage is taking this on,,,, and bottom line polls, are, well just that,,,, fighting is the RIGHT thing to do,,, no matter what anyone says,,,,,,,

    YAHOO,,, to all the good folks that are taking this on, the world is watching,,,,, and we will keep on until EQUALITY is the norm,,,, the people fighting this battle are the real Americans,,,,, please please please don't let us down,, don't give up,,,, we'll learn,,,, always remember Hillary Clinton's speech to the U.N.. a projectile over the heads of the ignorant,,,,, AIM high,,,,, we're waiting for you to join the other countries, who have achieved it,,, never forget it's a global battle,,,, polls in one state will not stop the movement,,,,,

  • 61. Bob  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    please remember that what you are doing brings hope to all of us connected to this site globally,,,, and the learning curve is steep for how to move forward,,,,, win or lose we'll redouble our efforts until every state tastes the freedom of EQUALITY,,,,,, that is the reality we already know and feel in our hearts and minds,,, on with it, so AMERICA can take it's rightful place as world leader in this effort,,,,, be an example for us of the change we want to see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that moral arc is bending,,,,,,,

  • 62. Bob  |  May 3, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    I have a very hard time with the idea of Courage Campaign being guilty of misrepresentation,,,,

    and object to that accusation

    I donate ,,,, they are transparent,,, we know what they do with the money,,,, and this round fighting fire with fire,,,,,, or money with money,,,, takes place in a tough spot,,,, and we know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 63. Deeelaaach  |  May 4, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    It is possible to lose many of your battles and still win the war.

    The other day I couldn’t put into words the reason I felt that Amendment 1 would eventually pass regardless of our attempts to defeat it, but that we should still fight the battle anyway. Today I realize why. We might dump millions of dollars into this campaign and lose, but that’s not the point. One poster pointed out that you are focused on outcome, but you replied that your focus was (apparently) on wasted money. From your posts, it would seem that you’d not want to wasted money on a lost cause and that it is dishonest to ask for money in what you see as a losing battle. It seems that most of those who reply to you, myself included, do not see it that way, because we don’t see this particular battle as the end of the battle, though it seems you do. We realize that even if we lose this battle, the effort spent today in money and manpower can pay off tomorrow, even if we lose this particular battle.

    We are not just trying to defeat Amendment 1, we are trying to defeat racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc. This is just one battle of many. Think about it – if we chose never to invest in a “lost cause,” we’d still be British subjects today. (Instead, now the Brits are our friends!) If we never chose to invest in a lost cause, we might not have a chance at having the courts weigh in on Prop 8 – many did not want to go to court, and I can’t say that I wasn’t afraid of losing either. Each of these battles, whether we win or lose is important. We many plunge tens of millions of dollars into a battle only to lose it, knowing it was a long shot to begin with, but we have hope that we can overcome the odds. You, it seems, have no hope, and you seem to want to spread your pessimism, cynicism and glass half empty mindset around to the rest of us. We’d rather see the glass with a single drop of water in it as better than having a glass with no water in it.

    I’m not sure why you are asking or telling us to give up hope. You say Courage is dishonest and it is misrepresenting our chances. That’s your opinion. It seems the rest of us disagree. We’re not being dishonest, we are holding out hope for a better tomorrow. If the tens of millions of dollars changes one mind, then we’ve won. That’s how I view it. We know it has changed at least two, and I’m sure that there are more than just two. We’re taking the long view here Jaime. If you truly support this cause, you might want to re-examine your motives or thought processes. The long view is the winning view – this is just one battle – and if we choose not to invest in this battle or the next battle, we might as well accept the fate that some want for us – suicide, jail, exile or murder of us all. You don’t want to fight. That’s your prerogative. We choose to keep our hope alive, and we choose to donate to a cause we know we might lose. Courage is our cheerleader, if you will. Even cheerleaders can get disappointed and stop cheering from time to time. If you are a true supporter, then perhaps that is where you are. But please don’t ask or tell courage to stop cheering because you’re disappointed. The rest of us have not lost hope yet, even if you have, or even if you never had hope to begin with. We choose to fight along with courage, because in the long run, we will win – but we have to fight the fight – indeed every fight – if we want to win the hearts and minds of the electorate. Because that is how we will win equality. We might lose most of our battles, but we cannot win the war if we don’t fight at all. So rail against courage all you want. We – Courage and its allies – will fight anyway, regardless of what you think.
    @Jaime: I’m sorry, I’m of two minds regarding you right now.

    @everyone else: As for this particular poster, I think we should stop feeding the troll. Yes, I feed the troll also; sometimes it’s hard not to. But I notice that in this post, this one poster takes up the time and energy of many of us all at once, myself included. It’s my hope that if we ignore the troll, it will go away sooner or later because no one will give it the time of day. It will rail all it wants, but that’s wasting its own time, not ours if we ignore it.

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