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Video: More lying from the Stop SB 48 campaign

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By Adam Bink

On Wednesday afternoon, we got a great tip about a signature-gathering event in Dinuba, CA (about 45 minutes from Fresno). Courage’s Anthony Ash drove down to check it out. Lo and behold:

The same distortions.

5 days left. Sign and share the complaint. This is critical as we enter the period of verifying signatures, if they turn in enough on Wednesday.

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  • 1. Tasty Salamanders  |  October 7, 2011 at 6:50 am

    You might want to fix the link at the end there.
    Also I think they are still trying to get signatures (despite claiming they have enough) and lying about their due date to hope they get enough to combat the fact many of them will be deemed invalid due to misrepresentation.

  • 2. Ronnie  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:03 am

    Lying is a "sin" (unsubstantiated)… oh wait, that's right, they are allowed to break that rule when it benefits them….. FAIL!!!!… (roles eyes at the hypochristians)….. 8 / …Ronnie

  • 3. Erica  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:10 am

    If they are obtaining signatures by deception, surely that is a crime? At least it should invalidate the petition?

  • 4. AnonyGrl  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Lying for God is ok, don't you know?

    The scary thing is that some people actually BELIEVE that… they believe that they can and should break the rules, the law, whatever, if it is for God's cause (or whatever they believe it is that God wants them to do). What gets me about that is the claim that it is the ATHEISTS who have no moral code.

  • 5. Richard  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:16 am

    I'm sure it's a very informative video, but the audio on it is so poor quality I can barely make out what's being said.

  • 6. lesbians love boies  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Keep up the good work. Keep exposing their lie tactics to obtain signatures.

  • 7. lesbians love boies  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:25 am

    Here is the link: http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/call-out-th

  • 8. FlexSF  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:29 am

    I partly agree. The reason why the Christian industrialists continue their religion of gay opposition is because they don't take these laws seriously. They need to be held accountable, and suffer financial devastation for what they're doing. If we lived in the days of Ancient Assyria, I would practice my knife throwing skills on them, but we don't, so I must keep my fury bottled up, and it eats my at my heart.

  • 9. AnonyGrl  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Did you notice it was subtitled? I didn't catch that till about 1/2 way through…

  • 10. lesbians love boies  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:52 am

    The Value Voter Summit has a poll on their website…I really wonder what the 'other' is, and they don't give a chance for pollsters to tell them.

    Here is the vote results so far:

    Q: Which issue is the most important in determining your choice of candidate to support:

    Current Results:

    5% Abortion
    2% Protecting One Man One Women Marriage
    5% Repealing Obamacare
    1% Permanent Tax Relief for Families
    2% Protecting Religious Liberty
    5% Government Spending
    1% Immigration
    4% Education
    1% National Security
    3% Passing a Balanced Budget Amendment
    72% Other

    Seems to me it's not the 'moral' values they are trying to push. I am glad at least they put that 'other' option there.
    http://www.valuesvotersummit.org/

  • 11. lesbians love boies  |  October 7, 2011 at 7:54 am

    hmmmm…doesn't add up to 100% (seems to add to 101%) ??

  • 12. lesbians love boies  |  October 7, 2011 at 8:03 am

    What am I thinking…their numbers have never added up.

  • 13. lesbians love boies  |  October 7, 2011 at 8:11 am

    30 LGBT Publications Challenge Historians to Get LGBT History Straight

    n what is hailed as the largest gay history project of its kind in the nation, 30 U.S. publications serving lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people will celebrate October as Gay History Month by presenting "We are America: How members of the LGBT community helped create the U.S.A."

    Philadelphia (PRWEB) October 07, 2011

    In what is hailed as the largest gay history project of its kind in the nation, 30 U.S. publications serving lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people will celebrate October as Gay History Month by presenting "We are America: How members of the LGBT community helped create the U.S.A."

    This groundbreaking month-long series will provide compelling evidence that our Founding Fathers not only welcomed LGBT people to helped create this country, but without the contributions made by LGBT people, American history might have turned out quite differently.

    "Throughout our nation's 235-year history, historians have kept LGBT people and issues in the closet," Project coordinator and Philadelphia Gay News publisher Mark Segal asserts, "We intend to break that closet door down forever."

    Among the upcoming news features, are these captivating findings:

    • Benjamin Franklin was the first U.S. military recruiter to enlist a gay man into America's revolutionary ranks.

    • George Washington, in all probability, was the first American leader to offer domestic partner support for a same-sex couple. During the winter hardships at Valley Forge, General Washington made sure that a same-sex couple had access to housing when it was at its greatest premium. And when faced with a potential homosexual scandal at Valley Forge, he chose a more merciful course at that vulnerable time and embarrassed the officer accused of sodomy rather than imposing the death sentence as Thomas Jefferson demanded.

    • An African-American gay man, George Middleton, led a troop of black men in the American Revolution.

    • Several women dressed as men to enlist in America's fledgling revolutionary army. After the war, when they could have returned to living again as women, some instead chose to live out their lives as men.

    • A lesbian, Katharine Lee Bates, wrote one of America's most beloved patriotic songs, "America the Beautiful."

    • The director of Wheatland, the home and presidential library of the unmarried President James Buchanan, discloses for the first time that it is impossible to refute that Buchanan might have been gay. In an effort to spur historians to expand their research on this unanswered question, the Wheatland library also has taken down the portrait of Ann Coleman, the one woman Buchanan was ever known to romance.

    • Following the historic repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," it might surprise many Americans that the individual often considered the father of the United States military was a gay man: Baron Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben. He wrote the "Revolutionary War Drill Manual" and introduced drills, tactics and discipline to the rag-tag militia, which culminated in our independence and victory over the British.

    • Readers will also be enthralled by the ongoing historical inquiry whether President Lincoln preferred men over women. Many will be surprised to learn, for example that as a young man, Abraham Lincoln might have been one of the first well-known Americans to write a boy-marries-boy poem in 1829.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/

  • 14. James  |  October 7, 2011 at 8:16 am

    LLB Joemygod.com has a link to this poll to mess with their numbers, in fact I did prior to coming here and reading this comment. Actual voters values people aren't voting, it's snarky queers from JKG just messing with their numbers by checking other. I can't account for the other votes.

  • 15. FlexSF  |  October 7, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Their values are so fucked up. I treat them exactly as they treat others, except I don't use a phony-Christian smile while telling them off. These are rude, crude, Christian cowards we're dealing with and they don't deserve civil discourse.

  • 16. FlexSF  |  October 7, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Giving credit where credit is due: big thanks, warm hug, to the Minnesota Republican leaders who oppose the Christian bigot marriage amendment.
    http://www.minnpost.com/politicalagenda/2011/10/0

  • 17. jpmassar  |  October 7, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Roundoff. Not unusual. Not a problem.

    Example: 22.4%, 33.4% 44.2% adds to 100% but shows as 22%, 33%, 44% which totals to 99%

  • 18. LCH  |  October 7, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Your point about fundie views on Atheists has stuck in my craw for an entire life time. I was born pagan and have been an Atheist for my entire adult life. I have family who are fundies, but they're the ones who do a host of shady things that I would never consider doing but I'm the one who needs saving.

    ♀♀=♂♂=♀♂=∑♡

  • 19. Alan_Eckert  |  October 7, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Those 10 commandments are more of a "guideline" to a lot of people. This is because they can always be "saved" again.

  • 20. Alan_Eckert  |  October 7, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Ant just can't get away from his Courage Campaign duties =)

  • 21. MarcosLB  |  October 7, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Ok, so the link, http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/call-out-th…. is for the incident in Oceanside. Should'nt the Courage Campain file another complaint, with video evidence, for this incident in Dinuba?

    The distortions and lies are sinful.

  • 22. Mark ;-)  |  October 7, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Arguments that I have heard in defense of StopSB48:

    "It'll teach my kindergartener about sex" —sound familiar?
    "It's not the teacher's job to talk about sex"
    "I only have so much time to address history, if I have to discuss Gay history I will have to stop talking about, say Washington."
    "I didn't get a vote on this" — That is why we have a representative democracy, Senators vote on Senate Bills.

  • 23. Ronnie  |  October 7, 2011 at 9:32 am

    More news….

    Jeremy Dozier: Dirty Girl’s Leading Man Comes Clean
    The newcomer stars in the new comedy about self-acceptance and discusses small-town bullies, getting his big break, and why he decided to come out as gay at the start of his career.: http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Fi

    "Starring in his film debut Dirty Girl as Clarke, a bullied gay teenager who finds liberation on a road trip with the high school tramp, actor Jeremy Dozier gets a workout. The 25-year-old La Porte, Texas native gets to sing Belinda Carlisle and Melissa Manchester anthems, do a strip tease in a rural gay bar, and act alongside an illustrious cast of actors including Oscar-winner Mary Steenburgen, William H. Macy, Milla Jovovich, Dwight Yoachim, Tim McGraw, and Juno Temple as the title character. Written and directed by Abe Sylvia, the film (opening today) combines ribald humor with a timely message about self-acceptance, while simultaneously paying homage to comedies with other unlikely heroines such as Muriel’s Wedding and The Opposite of Sex. Dozier sat down recently with The Advocate to talk about his experience with small-town bullies, how he landed his big break, and why it was important to come out as gay at the beginning of his career."

    Advocate: What concerns did you have about coming out as gay at the very beginning of your career?
    Jeremy: I definitely had people in the industry tell me it wasn’t a good idea. I think it’s important to be yourself. I’m not ashamed of it. I’m out and proud so we’ll see how it affects my career, but I don’t think it will. In today’s society it’s part of the fabric of who I am. I was born in Texas, I have blue eyes, I play tennis…being gay is just another piece of who I am. It doesn’t define me.

    (me) Good for him… a trail blazer…..

    Christian Pastor Who Attacked Gay Tennessee Couple Is Arrested For Theft: http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/christian-pa

    "Remember that Tennessee pastor who attacked a gay couple — his gay son and his son’s boyfriend — to prevent them from entering his church? When Pastor Pittman’s son, Robert Pittman, Jr., and his son’s boyfriend drove up to go to church, Pastor Pittman directed his deacons — one of whom is Robert’s uncle — to verbally and physically assault the two men, still in their car. Now, Pastor Pittman, of the Grace Fellowship Church in Humboldt (listed in news reports as as Fruitland) Tennessee, has been arrested for theft, on a tip from his estranged wife."

    (me) LOL….. This "pastor" is a violent virulent villainous homophobic neanderthal who orders the bashing of his own son, has been arrested a previous time for assault, has an estranged wife (guess that whole "traditional" marriage thing is another rule he doesn't have to follow but demands others do… MAUDE!!!), and he is a thief…….Not very moral…. not very Christian….HYPOCHRISTIAN!!!!…..

    Paula Ettelbrick, Veteran LGBT Leader, Dies: http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/10/0

    "During her career of more than 25 years, Ettelbrick worked for organizations including the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, the Empire State Pride Agenda, and most recently, the Stonewall Community Foundation. She also taught at the undergraduate, graduate at law school levels."

    LONGTIME LGBT RIGHTS ACTIVIST PAULA ETTELBRICK DIES: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/10/longtime-lgbt-ri

    (me) My condolences to her family and friends. She may have physically left this world but her spirit will live on through all of us who will continue the movement for FULL Equality. Rest in peace Paula Ettelbrick….

    & to end this round up….Today's 2011 LGBT History Month Icon: “Don't ask to live in tranquil times. Literature doesn't grow there.” ~ Rita Mae Brown, an author & screenwriter as well as a groundbreaking activist for lesbian & civil rights. She has a Ph.D. in political science from the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C., is a Master of Fox Hounds & advocates for animal rescue. Read more about her here: http://www.lgbthistorymonth.com/rita-mae-brown?ta

    <3…Ronnie:
    [youtube o94XoiKt7po http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o94XoiKt7po youtube]

  • 24. Alan_Eckert  |  October 7, 2011 at 10:29 am

    13 years ago today, Matthew Sheppard was attacked, beaten, and left for dead. Zack Ford points out 3 blogs that have a nice reflection for today.
    http://gay.americablog.com/2011/10/matthew-sheparhttp://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/matthew-shephttp://talkaboutequality.wordpress.com/2011/10/06

  • 25. Alan_Eckert  |  October 7, 2011 at 10:44 am

    My Junior year of high school, I took American Sign Language as my second foreign language (my school required 2). Every quarter, we had to do a project where we signed a song of our choosing. For the first project, though, our teacher chose the song for us all to perform, and she picked Melissa Etheridge's Scarecrow. It was especially tough for me because I was still in the closet, but I can't get through the song to this day without crying.

    [youtube JwJqJP-VgGA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwJqJP-VgGA youtube]

  • 26. fiona64  |  October 7, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Alan the one that always gets me is "Jesus On The Wire."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkglB_GnPhU

  • 27. TPAKyle  |  October 7, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Other is "support freedom and equality for all citizens!"

  • 28. Bill  |  October 7, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    This guy doesn't even have any idea what he is saying or representing.

    He only knows that gathering these signatures frees him to openly express his hatred.

    Sickening.

  • 29. Reformed  |  October 7, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Stop SB48! It mandates replacing "levirate" on the 4th grade spelling word list with the word "homosexual". Christian spelling bee moderators will soon be forced to choose between their jobs and their desire to say something disparaging when answering a contestant's request to hear the word used in a sentence.

    That should get a few more signatures.

  • 30. Reformed  |  October 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Should these group just shoot straight and say Tax Relief for Straight Families, otherwise we might assume that they mean Tax Relieft for all families (if we didn't know any better). Actually almost all of the "value" voter issues can be so qualified. For example, Immigration for Stright couples, Protecting Religious Liberty for Straight people, ect.

  • 31. BradM  |  October 7, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    OT, but sad news for Anton and Brian, and many more same sex bi-national couples. http://stopthedeportations.blogspot.com/2011/10/i

    It seems the Obama administration hasn't yet implemented its prosecutorial discretion policy for LGBT families in the immigration context.

    (me) We need to keep raising more awareness with stories like these. I attended a congressional forum on DOMA today in Chicago hosted by Reps. Quigley, Guiterrez, and Schakowsky. Though a same sex binational couple did present their story, there was nothing said about couples like Anton and Brian in deportation proceedings or those living in separation.

  • 32. Bryce  |  October 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Bottom line: Does anyone know if California law compels rejection of the petition if the petition signatures were obtained deceptively? My expertise is not in state laws.

  • 33. Ashee  |  October 8, 2011 at 7:47 am

    I received a mass text with StopSB48.com saying "Stop homosexual & transgender training in schools" and giving the URL for their site. I wasn't sure what to do about it so I came here, and Prop8TrialTracker was already reporting on the campaign! More hate, it made me feel sick when I received the text. (any ideas if it's worth trying to trace or look into further?)

  • 34. Ashee  |  October 8, 2011 at 8:03 am

    I don't think that it would matter, frankly. I grew up in the central valley, even if the signature gatherers don't say anything other than what the SB is, there will be plenty of people there that sign and think along the same lines as the lies they are spouting anyway. Basically, I don't think the lies are getting anyone to sign that wouldn't already think that way. It is a very, very conservative area. I don't think that it makes these lies OK or justified, just that it is designed to enrage the conservative base there so they'd be more likely to sign. Pretty sure my family's church there would have a petition in the lobby. But the support for stoping the Bill is going to be limited to the central valley and OC, as usual.

  • 35. Elizabeth_Oakes  |  October 8, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Ashee, if you look back through the site, you'll see a few posts on this over the past couple weeks and a link to a petition supporting the complaint against these signature gatherers. Don't know if it will help invalidate signatures but I signed to show my support anyway–seems like election ethics commissions/Secretary of State are awfully lenient about these things, especially when it involves churches, but it's good to let them know we're watching.

  • 36. AnyaAngie  |  October 8, 2011 at 10:40 am

    That's what I ADORE about wicca! Whatever you do comes back three-fold, so why would you EVER do anything bad? There's no escaping that, whereas Christianity's like, "Oh, sure, you molested/raped/murdered someone, but it's ok cause you confessed and are sorry so you'll be fine."

    Sorry it's been so long, my DSL SUCKS sometimes!

  • 37. AnyaAngie  |  October 8, 2011 at 11:05 am

    That is AMAZING trivia! It's very inspiring and interesting to find out all of that! Thanks so much for sharing and I look forward to reading the series. Wonder if they will actually share the poem Lincoln wrote… Being a writer, and something of a poet myself, I would love to read it :)

  • 38. TPAKyle  |  October 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Gov. Jerry Brown signs bill restricting ballot initiative to November elections. Vote, if required, on SB48 would not happen until November 2012. Read more:
    http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/08/3968832/gov-jerr

  • 39. Mark ;-)  |  October 8, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Good news. Thanks for posting.

  • 40. Brain Death  |  October 8, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    SB 48 was a solution in search of a problem. There were no laws prohibiting schools from teaching about gays and lesbians in history and social studies, and there was no evidence that the textbooks used by states lied about gays or lesbians, or even defamed them. As an L.A Times editorial pointed out , while "[gays' and lesbians' political and legal battles] no doubt have a legitimate place in the social studies curriculum", it should be "a decision for educators and textbook writers to make" and that the story of gays and lesbians in America "best told by historians, not by politicians".

  • 41. Brain Death  |  October 8, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    One of the best arguments against the law was made in an L.A. Times editorial .

  • 42. Mark ;-)  |  October 8, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    That is a horrible argument. SB48 allows historians to actually teach about the public. Heaven forbid a public education about the public.

  • 43. Mark ;-)  |  October 8, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    So, why was SB48 needed? SB48 does no harm and includes the accomplishments of all people. School educators have a requirement to prepare students for the real world and not pick and choose which groups are worthy of inclusion. Why do those opposed to SB48 not mention the protections and inclusion of any other group? SB48 also protects religions (which are 100% choice), why shouldn't schools reflect upon society?
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Truth-about-Sto

  • 44. Ronnie  |  October 8, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Echo Echo Echo Echo….. ATTENTION, repeat offender…. OTIO……….. oIo…Ronnie

  • 45. Ronnie  |  October 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Hahaha "best"…lol…not… MAUDE!….. <3…Ronnie

  • 46. Straight Dave  |  October 8, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Here's the Lincoln poem:
    "For Reuben and Charles have married two girls,
    But Billy has married a boy.
    The girls he had tried on every side,
    But none he could get to agree;
    All was in vain, he went home again,
    And since that he's married to Natty."

    Thanks for this news, LLB. I hadn't heard about it before. I hope this series gets picked up by the MSM. Coupled with the tentative CA SB48, it might open a lot of eyes and change the conversation in this country.

    BTW- My parents spent their wedding night at the Baron Steuben Hotel in Corning, NY. I'm sure they had no idea about the guy and likely would have been quite embarrassed..

  • 47. AnyaAngie  |  October 8, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    That's a lovely poem, Dave, thanks so much for sharing! Lincoln was always one of my favorite American figures. It's so interesting to discover he was a poet and a real open-minded one at that!

  • 48. Mark ;-)  |  October 9, 2011 at 8:56 am

    If all nearly 2,000 people who like the FB page for the opposition to SB48 gathered signatures, each would need to gather just over 250 signatures to meet the requirements. Accounting for the invalid signatures, each of the 2,000 would need to gather about 275 signatures for there to be any real chance of success.

  • 49. Brain Death  |  October 9, 2011 at 10:51 am

    And before SB 48, historians could NOT teach about the role of gay and lesbian activism in history? The argument by the L.A. Times editors was that historians and educators should be left to decide the balance of what parts of history to teach, and to what extent.

  • 50. Ronnie  |  October 9, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Can you please stop reposting the same thing over and over again. You have posted this at least 11 times and it is getting annoying. It is bordering on obsessive & it is excessive…. Please stop….. > I …Ronnie

  • 51. Trish  |  October 9, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Historians study history but have their own biases. Some historians have already studied and written about the contributions of GLBT individuals. Others have expressly excluded them from their research and writings, or expressly excluded mention of their sexual orientation or identity from the teachings. For illustration's sake, imagine if you learned all about George Washington Carver but never learned that he was black. That would seem like we were missing an important detail about history. Did it ever come up in class that evidence shows that Carver was also gay? No, that part of history was just left out.

    Historians have already found the evidence, so it is now just educators who are refusing to teach it. So who decides what is taught in schools and on what the curriculum must be based? For better or for worse, it's the legislature.

  • 52. india tours  |  January 18, 2012 at 1:48 am

    Excellent response and very clear. I hope it gets some publicity!

  • 53. Thomas Saylor  |  January 27, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Indoctrinating a 5 or 6 year old in something like this is highly inappropriate and wrong,

    period . And suppressing

    the facts about the many disease caused by the homosexual lifestyle is placing their

    lives at risk . Politics do not belong in the classroom – neither does propaganda .

  • 54. Sally Helstad  |  January 27, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Why is homosexuality ( as , for example , in movie you mentioned above ) so often about raunchy sex and
    promiscuous behavior ? Why is it about lust ? Doesn't that say something is wrong
    from the get go ? Lustful behavior is wrong . It's immoral . It's twisted .
    It is the opposite of love .

    Normal people can love . Normal people don't use others for their selfish pleasures
    Normal people don't indoctrinate 5 years old that this kind of behavior is normal
    or healthy . Normal people don't engaged in promiscuous behavior that places
    their health at risk . And normal people don't indoctrinate children that this behavior
    is normal or healthy for their own selfish purposes .

  • 55. Emile Stoppard  |  January 27, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Radical gays ( who
    make up a minority of the homosexual community ) always accuse anyone who
    opposes you of ' hatred' and bigotry ' . This is part of their strategy . These lies are getting a little old by now .
    Opposition to this bill and others like it is on the part of millions of Californians who want
    their kids, grandkids, neighbors kids , etc. etc. to have
    the BEST and the HEALTHIEST physical, emotional, mental and life possible . because
    they happen to naturally LOVE and CARE about them . You know , a natural human desire
    to want what is best for them ? Maybe you can't understand that because you
    don't have children – or because you don't really care about their needs at all .
    The homosexual lifestyle is not healthy . This isn't 'hatred' this is a fact , easily verified by various health
    agencies in this country . We don't want our children to be lied to and told that it is .
    SB 48 is about indoctrination – PERIOD . if the backers of this bill were sincere – they
    would begin the teaching of homosexual roles models in the upper grades where
    children have enough psychological and developmental maturity to understand the subject
    matter ( one of the points of the Los Angeles Time article . Educators are the ones who
    know best what those levels are ) They want to , however, present these teachings to children as young as 5 and 6 who
    can't possibly understand what it all means . This is a sure sign that the true motive
    of the backers of this extreme bill is indoctrination. There would also not be a suppression
    of the true
    health risks of this lifestyle ( like the fact that 70% of all the deaths from A.I.D.S. in California
    in the past 30 year have been homosexual men – Center for Disease Control, Atlanta, GA
    or that a homosexual lifestyle will take from 5- 20 years off of your life . Also CDC These
    are facts – not bigotry .

    And what does Christianity have to do with it ? ANY Californian with ANY caring for the welfare of children and an opposition to the suppression of the truth , would reject this bill and others like it .

    And BTW way , last we checked, Christians at not the ones promoting promiscuity or responsible for the spread of AIDS
    and several other diseases common to the homosexual lifestyle – are they ?

  • 56. Jacob Combs  |  January 27, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    This is a message from the moderators of the site. Today, we've received many requests to delete comments and ban users. At this point, we do not feel it is necessary to do so, however, we do want to pass on a reminder about the code of conduct for our site. While it is certainly permissible to write about any political view here on P8TT, no language will be allowed that is offensive, derogatory or vitriolic.

    A statement such as "the homosexual lifestyle is not healthy" involves towing a very thin line between reporting 'fact' and simply showing prejudice. If you do continue to do so without citing sources (for example, a link to a credible website, not simply saying "this is from the CDC"), it is difficult to believe that you are interested in discussion and rather makes it seem that you are simply expressing moral disapproval. It is ok to express moral disapproval on P8TT, but it is unadvisable to argue that such disapproval is based on facts like 'the unhealthy lifestyle of gays.'

    Please know that we're aware of the discussion on this thread, and we will follow it, but we also wish to keep discussion open whenever possible.

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