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NOMmers go off-message, say so much about org’s true goals

NOM Exposed Prop 8 trial Right-wing

Cross-posted at Good As You

By Jeremy Hooper

The National Organization For Marriage is a single issue group that has chosen to hone in on one political matter. So why do NOM staffers post blogs like this one?

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[NOM Blog]

Why? Well, because while the stated goal is stopping marriage rights for same-sex couples, we’ve always known that NOM’s parallel focus is on public relations/public perception. As part of this PR campaign, they want to create a climate in which LGBT people and their allies are seen as some sort of militant, radical, self-motivated, unsympathetic basket of oddities (sometimes one of those things, sometimes all), so as to, by way of contrast, cast NOM in a traditional, moral, greater-good-motivated, sympathetic, virtuous light. With NOM, it’s not just about same-sex marriage, in the practical sense, while that notion is up for debate in a particular state or on the national stage. The larger, overarching, day-to-day goal is to lead America to an unfavorable impression of LGBT gains.

So why the above post, specifically? Because look at it: It reads as “weird.” As “scary.” As some sort of warning sign for America. Never mind that it has absolutely nothing to do with LGBT people, same-sex marriage, religious protections, or any of the matters that come under NOM’s purview. The post is meant to tell readers that some people, somewhere are doing something that relates to gender and kids and (tangentially to) marriage, in hopes that NOM’s crowd will connect the dots between this and those “wacky” Americans who want “social madness” here at home. The idea is to create fear.

36 Comments

  • 1. sparklincyanide  |  July 11, 2011 at 7:56 am

    I hate NOM as much as you. But reasoning you gave for NOM posting this article is too far fetched. Connecting the dots of your reason and the post would make a very long meandering line.
    But if what you are saying is true, then they are more twisted and warped than I could have imagined. http://www.sparklincyanide.wordpress.com

  • 2. Paul  |  July 11, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Unfortunately, I feel much the same way when I see a post on this site that has nothing to do with gay marriage equality.

  • 3. Steve  |  July 11, 2011 at 8:11 am

    If anything, the cause for the devaluation of women in countries like China and India is the same as for homophobia: overly rigid gender roles

  • 4. John  |  July 11, 2011 at 8:19 am

    This really has nothing to do with LGBT persons. In many cultures male children are considered more highly prized.

  • 5. AnonyGrl  |  July 11, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Can you think of another reason that a group whose sole purpose is to protect marriage would post something like this? Are they advocating that their donors should do something about this practice? Are they suggesting that there are other organizations they can donate to who are fighting against it? Are they suggesting that there are ways those children can be helped?

    No. If their goal was anything more than frightening their sheep about gender issues, they would have offered suggestions, comments or links about things that could be done to help. But if they do that, they risk their donors sending money somewhere else. Since their only comment on the issue is "horrendous", the only conclusion to draw is that they are, once again, trying to paint a picture of the evil this world is coming to, so hate the gays and send us money.

  • 6. AnonyGrl  |  July 11, 2011 at 8:24 am

    And in the comments, here is the proof…

    "TC Matthews
    Posted July 11, 2011 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Well Heidi, if you look at all the different areas gay activists want to change society, the gay agenda becomes clear. Seen one at a time, perhaps these drives could be explained away, but seen together, the true picture becomes clear. Is gender important or isn't it? Gay marriage activists claim it isn't. So, is that a world we want to live in? Is gender a social construct? If so, this should not bother you one bit. However, I suspect that while well intentioned people may fall for the gay agenda on one front because of the emotional arguments, the practical side needs to be gone through.

    If you don't like where your logic leads, perhaps you shouldn't ask the nation to go there."

    And my response, which they won't post…

    TC,
    Don't be ridiculous. Gay activists are in NO WAY promoting FORCED GENDER REASSIGNMENT.

    As to claiming "gender isn't important" you have missed the boat there too. The societal roles that have been placed on gender are what are not important. The sad thing about this story is that the people in India are SO wrapped up in what society thinks is "good" that they are willing to mutilate their children to accomplish that.

    If all genders were treated equally (which is what the LGBT community has been fighting for) then horror stories like this would not occur. But when groups like NOM perpetuate the harmful lies that we all have a set role in society, that we cannot be other than what the bible says we are, it promotes the idea that one gender is better, and then travesties like this happen.

  • 7. Ann S.  |  July 11, 2011 at 8:27 am

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  • 8. Reformed  |  July 11, 2011 at 8:58 am

    When it comes to the National Organization for Lasagna, there doesn't need to be a legitimate connection, only the connection created in the minds of thier followers.

  • 9. Alan_Eckert  |  July 11, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Don't discount those same rigid gender roles when it comes to marriage in America. There are still too many people who think there are specific jobs for men and women in a marriage/family, including NOM.

  • 10. peterplumber  |  July 11, 2011 at 10:16 am

    NOM used to accept my posts all the time. I never used foul language or degraded the NOM sheeple in any way. But one day recently, I posted the news of DOJ submitting a brief in one of the DOMA cases. NOM deleted that post, and none of my comments have been accepted since, no matter the content.

    NOM supports censorship and limits free speech and open discussion!

  • 11. chris  |  July 11, 2011 at 10:17 am

    I've known for a long time that NOM really doesn't care if Tom and Harry down the street are married. Shaping public perception of gay people is and always has been their focus. That's why we will see them POUR money into a ballot initiative while simply moaning when a court or legislature gives us equality. THEY DON'T WANT SOCIETY TO ACCEPT US, PERIOD. The legal fights are just props.

  • 12. peterplumber  |  July 11, 2011 at 10:32 am

    This is the type of "connecting of the dots" the NOM sheeple commonly come up with:

    8. Barb
    Posted July 11, 2011 at 12:09 pm | Permalink
    The Gay Gestapo, by their own arguments, would logically approve of this practice in India. After all, they also approve of teaching children that they can be whatever they want: a boy, a girl, both or neither. They see nothing strange about a gender-confused person mangling their own body b/c they don't feel at home in the body they have. They view this as normal, while the rest of us view it as the serious psychotic break from reality that it is.

    So as you can see, the intent of this NOM posting is already working.

  • 13. FlexSF  |  July 11, 2011 at 10:45 am

    The children are alright. This little boy adapts very well when he learns about a gay marriage. The NOM adults are not alright!

    [youtube SbBtNVFjeDA&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBtNVFjeDA&feature=player_embedded youtube]

  • 14. Kathleen  |  July 11, 2011 at 11:00 am

    UPDATE: LCR v. USA (DADT case)

    Clerk ORDER – Appears to merits panel that U.S. not prepared to defend DADT, so within 10 days, government to advise the court whether it intends to submit a report to Congress indicating its decision to not defend; and parties ordered to show cause why this case should not be dismissed as moot.

    ORDER available here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/59803192

  • 15. Kathleen  |  July 11, 2011 at 11:06 am

    UPDATE: Adar v. Smith
    Lambda Legal asking U.S. Supreme Court to review the 5th Circuit's en banc decision.

    From Lambda Legal's press release: "Today Lambda Legal filed a petition for a writ of certiorari asking the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the case of a same-sex couple seeking an accurate birth certificate for their Louisiana-born son whom they adopted in New York. The state of Louisiana has refused to recognize the adoption and issue a birth certificate listing both fathers as the boy’s parents. "

    Background on the case available here: http://www.lambdalegal.org/in-court/cases/adar-v-

    Petition for writ of cert available here: http://www.lambdalegal.org/in-court/legal-docs/ad

  • 16. Alan_Eckert  |  July 11, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Oh I hope they can get that birth certificate changed. It will make things a whole lot easier when both parents' names are on there.

  • 17. Alan_Eckert  |  July 11, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Money quote:

    "And § 654 [DADT] remains the law of the land today"

    Will BLAG take this up too?

  • 18. Ronnie  |  July 11, 2011 at 11:12 am

    This is the America NOM et al. is creating & perpetuating……

    Mystery surrounds murder of gay immigrant in San Francisco http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/07/mystery-surrou

    Freddy Canul-Arguello lived in San Francisco with his brother Ivan who fully accepted him for who he was. On June 10th firefighters were responding to a brush fire in Buena Vista Park when they discovered Freddy's body "burned beyond recognition in a nearby dumpster".

    Freddy's best friend, Javier now says that he is afraid to go outside.

    This is what NOM etc. wants. For us to be afraid to be ourselves in public. It doesn't matter what the pathological liars & law (you know which ones) breakers at NOM say about "condone this, not condone that. Marriage is blah blah blah blah". The above mentioned blog post by them is evidence enough of their envisage.

    Ivan could not even go to the Pride parade that he attended with his brother to support this brother in years past , "Because my brother's not here", he said. He plans to move back to Mexico, when the investigation is over, to be with their father & mother. This hurt his mother so much that she spent 3 days in the hospital.

    The article ends with this from Ivan, Freddy's brother : “I think people are crazy to hate gays,”…..I could not agree more, & organizations such as NOM enable those crazy, holding back from using a more deserving derogatory designation, people.

    My heart & thoughts are with the Canul-Arguello family, a brother who lost the brother he loved so much, a father who out-lived his boy, & a mother who has been forced to endure what NO parent should be forced to endure. I hope the monster that did this to their brother & son is caught, although it does not bring Freddy back or make up for the loss of their loved one, I hope justice is served so that his family can receive a pinch of peace in what will haunt them for their rest of their lives.

    To NOM et al: When you spout out demonizing/dehumanizing rhetoric about LGBT people, it would do you good to remember that that human being is someones son or daughter, mother or father, sister or brother, aunt or uncle, grandmother or grandfather, cousin, friend, etc. etc. etc……Also remember that somewhere out there is a mentally disturbed sociopath ready & waiting to use your words to justify an act of violence & hate. Whether you publicly, typically done while in damage control & after the fact, condone it or not is irrelevant. You perpetuate it….. You enable it…….You foster it.

    Once again (one time too many), "This is the price of hate"…………. : ( ….Ronnie

  • 19. Alan_Eckert  |  July 11, 2011 at 11:14 am

    And Sally Kern, too:
    http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/kerncolmes.html

  • 20. Rich  |  July 11, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    NOM's censorship is a constant with any and all comments I post. But look at the evidence: no more that 3-5 comments are posted on almost all its leads. And, they are pretty much the same people. In fact I suspect they actually work for NOM. I think comments are not the reward that NOM seeks. If it were they should be a pretty sorry lot. No, I think they like to throw out whatever crap they can and see if it sticks. Often, I'm embarrassed for them

  • 21. JonT  |  July 11, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    'To NOM et al: When you spout out demonizing/dehumanizing rhetoric about LGBT people, it would do you good to remember that that human being is someones son or daughter, mother or father, sister or brother, aunt or uncle, grandmother or grandfather, cousin, friend, etc. etc. etc…'

    How easy it seems to be for them to ignore that simple fact. :(

  • 22. JonT  |  July 11, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    She's just nuts.

  • 23. Wade MacMorrighan  |  July 11, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Honestly, I am rather shocked that NOM did not try and target — through an "attack" — of the Hindu Hijra cult in which young males (sometimes in their adolescents, having been cast out by their parents because they are Gay) undergo a sex-change operation! These males constitute a powerful sect of priestesses who are even common features in Indian weddings.

  • 24. Straight Dave  |  July 11, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    So how would the following statement in the order apply to the Perry case? This sounds like a 3rd party is allowed to intervene if the gov't doesn't defend. I'm sure there's a difference somewhere, but I can't see it.

    "If the Government chooses not to defend the constitutionality of § 654, however, the court may allow amicus curiae to participate in oral argument in support of constitutionality pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 29(g)."

  • 25. DRDnearle  |  July 12, 2011 at 9:32 am

    This does have nothing to do with LGBT, but it does with LGBTI. That I is intersexed and everyday in the USA 5 children are cut on for no other reason than to assign a sex.

    This is the only surgery done on one person to make another person have less anxiety.

    This has got to STOP!

    Children are not property.

    Stop the cutting that is done on healthy genitals in India and here in the USA!

    BTW – if current data proves to be correct these girls turned into boys will mostly grow up to be Gay Men.

  • 26. DRDarlene  |  July 12, 2011 at 9:33 am

    I say go with it. Check out my comments above.

  • 27. DRDarlene  |  July 12, 2011 at 9:34 am

    This does have nothing to do with LGBT, but it does with LGBTI. That I is intersexed and everyday in the USA 5 children are cut on for no other reason than to assign a sex.

    This is the only surgery done on one person to make another person have less anxiety.

    This has got to STOP!

    Children are not property.

    Stop the cutting that is done on healthy genitals in India and here in the USA!

    BTW – if current data proves to be correct these girls turned into boys will mostly grow up to be Gay Men.

  • 28. ellie  |  July 12, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    In my mind, they posted this article for two reasons: (1) help contribute to idea of being transsexual as wrong, unnatural, etc. (2) propagate the lie that the gender imbalance has to do with abortion. NOM is a one issue org. indeed, but they (and their supporters) also hold other strict social views. They hate feminism, they hate anyone opposed to strict gender roles, they hate transsexuals, they hate women's reproductive rights.

  • 29. Chris in Lathrop  |  July 12, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Please don't insult one of my favorite dishes! ;)

  • 30. Chris in Lathrop  |  July 12, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    "So that means you love each other!" WIN!!! NOM, take notes…

  • 31. Chris in Lathrop  |  July 12, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    I don't think it's even proper for a parent to get their child's ears pierced without the child's informed consent!

    That said: NOM, why oh why would you post this article under "Same Sex Marriage" rather than "Ethics" (and we all here on the sane side of things know the answer!)?

  • 32. Sheryl_Carver  |  July 12, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    For whatever reason, my comments on NOM's blog have been getting posted, although there was a time not long ago when that was not the case. I just had this exchange with "Marty" over there:

    Marty: Seems to me the only people who would claim that "wife and wife" is equal to "husband and wife" are bigotted against men. So they insist that separate IS equal after all. Self-serving bigotry…

    Me: Your logic still escapes me, Marty.

    Under your conclusion, a black person who thinks their marriage to another black person is equal to a whIte couple's marriage is "bigotted" against white people.

    Many opposite-sex married people understand that acknowledging that LGBT folks should have the same CIVIL right to marriage in no way diminishes theirs or anyone else's marriage. I wish everyone could understand that.

    Marty: [moderators: please explain to the crowd why we seem to be randomly moderated one minute, but not the next?]

    I interpret Marty's last comment as "Help! Brain … cannot … process … logic! Moderator – stop letting the evil LGBTs contaminate our site!" :-)

    I may very well get banned, but if so, it was worth it. :-)

  • 33. Robin  |  July 12, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    "Never mind that it has absolutely nothing to do with LGBT people"

    Actually, it sounds like it might have a lot to do with the T in LGBT.

  • 34. Rich  |  July 12, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I just contacted her to let her know, as Ricky said to Lucy "You have some "splainin'" to do!"

  • 35. AnonyGrl  |  July 12, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    I don't think these girls ARE intersexed. I think they are completely female, but because the culture prizes males their parents are trying to turn them into males.

    What they will end up with is a lot of very unhappy adults. I do hope that this practice can be stopped quickly, and perhaps some sort of surgical reversal is possible for these kids.

    That being said, yes… the issue of intersexed children is another one that needs some serious looking in to, and education and help for the kids and their parents and medical professionals to stop this practice. Unless there is a medical threat that provides a necessity for surgery, it should wait until the child is old enough to decide on their own.

  • 36. JefferyK  |  July 13, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    It's weird, though: I mean, the only motivation parents in India have to pay to turn a girl into boy is the conservative male/female power structure of the dominant culture. It is basically misogyny. You would think NOM would support that. But NOM does seem to be using this article instead as a scare tactic about messing with nature and transsexuality.

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