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BREAKING: Victory! Senate defeats filibuster on repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”

December 18, 2010

Don't Ask Don't Tell

By Adam Bink

Just now, the Senate voted 63-33 to invoke cloture on the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. This is a huge, huge win that removes the last major legislative roadblock from our path. Republican Senators voting yea include Brown of Massachusetts, Collins, Kirk, Murkowski, Snowe, Voinovich. Sen. Manchin did not vote. Props to all of you who made calls to those six above. It made a difference.

The Senate will now proceed to 30 hours’ post-cloture legislative consideration, which unless it is waived by Senators, will take us into Sunday. At that point, a simple up or down majority vote will send repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” statute to the President’s desk.

I’ll be updating with interesting dispatches over the next several hours. Updates will scroll from the bottom.

The biggest hurdle next is making sure President Obama and his administration, once the President signs the bill, move quickly on certification. To that end, Courage just launched this action below. Read and chip in so we will hold their feet to the fire. No more foot-dragging.

No person can serve openly once the President puts pen to paper on repeal. Courage is out to change that as quickly as possible, and every dollar you contribute below can help with that.

Update 2: MSNBC is reporting that a final vote will occur today at 3 PM EST, which means we’ll avoid the 30 hours post-cloture consideration.

Update 3: Wow. 216 contributions totaling $5,272 in so far on the action below. Hot. Keep it up! We’ll be reporting on the certification process and pushing Obama, Mullen and Gates hard to certify as soon as possible.

Update 4: For those confused on what happens next,

1. The Senate will vote on final passage at 3 PM EST.
2. It will go to the President’s desk, who will sign it.
3. The President, Chairman of the JCS and Secretary of Defense must certify, in writing, to Congress, that repeal is good for the country and the military is prepared, among other things. Patrick Murphy explains the full list.
4. There must be a 60-day waiting period that the late Sen. Byrd inserted into the bill for no apparent useful reason.
5. After all that is met, the law will be repealed.

See my post at OpenLeft.com here quoting Patrick Murphy’s letter to colleagues explaining the certification process for more. This is why it’s important, given the military’s penchant for insisting on long timelines and dragging things out, to hold their feet to the fire. We’re raising money for such an effort below.

Update 5: Here’s the roll call.

Update 6: There’s some debate going on right now around DADT and the new START treaty as we proceed to a final vote.

Update 7: $8,411 in from 342 people to hold the Administration’s feet to the fire on certification. Wow. We heard you, and will start a big push to make sure the Administration moves as quickly as possible to certify repeal. And by the way, every dollar is earmarked for this campaign. As Rick wrote in the comments below, Courage runs a very bare-bones, cost-efficient operation, whether on the road with NOM or running a virtual shop. If you’d like to help us get to $10K, you can chip in here.

Update 8: The Senate just began voting on final passage of DADT repeal.

Update 9: And repeal passes the full Senate, 65-31. If my math is correct, without looking at a roll call, we picked up Sens. Ensign and Burr. I’m going to start a new thread with that news, analysis, and final thoughts. This thread will no longer update.

Courage Campaign

Dear Adam –

We won.


With 63 votes today in the Senate, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is on the way to the dustbin of history. I’m elated and I’m somber: it’s a huge victory that would never have happened without every one of you.

But we ain’t done yet.

Courage Campaign is going to mount an effort to pressure the Obama Administration to quickly certify repeal- and we need your people-powered support. Will you give us $17 right now, one dollar for each year that DADT was law?


http://www.couragecampaign.org/WeWon


Here’s the skinny: the Senate vote was the last major legislative obstacle. But even after the President signs this law, no one can serve openly. Certification is first required from the President, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Secretary of Defense

It’s part of a backroom deal cut months ago, and it’s ridiculous. We’ve seen how the Administration has dragged their feet over the past two years on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. We can’t let that happen again. We have to mount a fight to finish the job, and we need your help.


Can you contribute $17 to show the Administration that we’re not going to stand for any more foot-dragging? We’ll put your money to work right away—through online ads, organizers, and phone banks that will remind this administration daily that the job is not done until they certify repeal.


http://www.couragecampaign.org/WeWon

You did this.  And together, we’ll move from this victory to full equality in the months and years ahead.But we ain’t done yet. Contribute $17 to speed up the day when an openly gay American can walk into a recruiting station and say “I want to serve.”


Together, we are unstoppable.
Rick Jacobs
Chair, Courage Campaign

P.S. Help us to build momentum for certification by sharing our message with your friends via Facebook or by simply forwarding this message to 5 friends.

The Courage Campaign is a multi-issue online organizing network that empowers more than 700,000 grassroots and netroots supporters to push for progressive change and full equality in California and across the country.

To support our work to repeal DADT, please chip in what you can today:

Twitt

239 Comments Leave a Comment

  • 1. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:02 am

    Scribin

  • 2. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Don't Ask Don't Tell Has to GO!…This Holiday Season…Ho Ho HO!!!!!……<3…Ronnie

  • 3. Ed  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Adam, didn't u mention on a diff thread that while the cloture and actual votes are diff things, they usually mirror each other?
    Also, now that cloture is done, do we need 60+ votes for this next round? or is it a simple majority?

  • 4. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:06 am

    DADT….Go Away!!!…WOOO…Lets go Patriots!!!….(does herkie)….<3…Ronnie

  • 5. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Sub me

  • 6. aaron in san fran  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Did any democrats vote against cloture? … Just contributed more $$$ – Don't screw this up Obama!!!

  • 7. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:09 am

    Thanks to everyone here. We ask for funds because we don't get money from secret donors or big corporations. We are you and you matter.

    Now to a majority vote on the bill and then to a signing by the president. And then the clock starts ticking to see how quickly the administration will implement the lifted ban.

  • 8. Manilow  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Amazing news!!!!

  • 9. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:11 am

    The next vote is majority (51) on the bill. Then the president signs. Then the SecDed and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs have to certify that the military is ready to integrate and the policy can be implemented. Then the congress has 60 days to object. Then it's done. We have to hold everyone's feet to the fire. This has to end.

  • 10. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Ed, as Adam said in his second paragraph, this is a simple majority vote that can happen after 30 clock hours upon invoking cloture.

  • 11. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:14 am

    Adam, Rick, I want to contribute, but there is no PayPal link. Where can I find the snail mail address and I will send a money order. But you are both right–we need to hold their feet to the fire until this is a done deal and our men and women can serve openly and their spouses here at home can have the same access to support and encouragement as the spouses of straight military personnel.

  • 12. Lodi Gal  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:16 am

    Best Christmas News EVER.

  • 13. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:16 am

    √

  • 14. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Rick, we need to make sure that everyone that was calling over the past few weeks to their senators that they call them again and thank them for the support as well. Also, a big thanks to Adam Bink for his time dedicated to sitting in the senate chambers and hearing rooms to bring us live coverage.

  • 15. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:20 am

    I think that Reid just asked for debate to be ended at 3:00pm so work can be started on START

  • 16. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:22 am

    Wouldn't it be nice if Obama also issued a Stop Loss Order when signing the bill (pending passage,of course)? Maybe even dropped his defense of the multiple court cases?

    I wasn't even thinking of the simple majority vote. Thanks Rick/Adam for reminding us – and for everything else!

    What a great day!

  • 17. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:24 am

    I think you are right

  • 18. Ed  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:25 am

    I'd LOVE to hear a statement from Tony Perkins….

  • 19. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:25 am

    And I think it worked.

    McCain's head is about to explode!! I wish a camera was stationed on him to see it! :)

  • 20. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Patty Murray is talking about (the awesome) Margaret Witt.

  • 21. James A Tuttle  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:27 am

    This who process is ridiculously convoluted. I'm THRILLED that in a day, DADT will be history..technically…on paper.. only sorta. Gay soldiers still have to stay in the closet for weeks, months, maybe years until the military decides when it is ready. When the military finally decides it is ready THEN an extremely republican controlled senate has the option of saying " no.. No … We think DADT should actually stick around for a while longer… Let's vote on that." Am I just being pessimist or is this what's really going on?

  • 22. Sheryl Carver  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:34 am

    Unfortunately, James, I think you are correct.

    I'm hoping that just maybe once the Repubs are in control, they won't feel the need to vote against EVERYTHING the Dems want. Or that at least enough Repubs will have the courage to do the right thing on the repeal.

    Would help if Obama would finally manage to act like the Commander-in-Chief & ensure that the military does its job done ASAP!

  • 23. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:34 am

    I still want DOMA taken out! But you are so right. This is the best news yet. A couple weeks late, but still a lovely Chanukkah gift!

  • 24. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:40 am

    Did anyone else happen to notice that Manchin did not vote for repeal?

  • 25. BK  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:42 am

    I second that motion… ahem… I mean, just to hear his (bigoted, warped, disappointing, yet hilarious) explanation for all this.

  • 26. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:44 am

    Even though Chanukah is over for this Holiday Season…here is an "It Gets Better" video made by the LGBTQ & Straight Jewish community of Washington, D.C….<3…Ronnie:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvmqiAsvaxI

  • 27. Ed Cortes  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:45 am

    Contributed, and 'scribin'

  • 28. Pearl  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:46 am

    According to Metroweekly "Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) did not vote and issued a statement saying that he cannot support DADT repeal at this time. Three Republicans did not vote: Sens. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)." http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2010/12/senat…

  • 29. Rikaishi  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:50 am

    I'm honestly surprised. I expected the thugs to pull the rug out at the last minute like they usually do. Especially considering their general opposition to anything passing the senate, not to mention that continuing to block this till next year would have denied Obama one of his campaign promises.

  • 30. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:51 am

    No, but Manchin didn't vote, We picked up Brown-MA, Collins-ME, Kirk-IL, Murkowski-AK, Snowe-ME and Voinovich-OH all from the Republican side.

  • 31. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:51 am

    All of us are asked to contribute to a lot of different organizations and times are tough for many. I know that I, and many others, would like to understand how our donations are spent.

    For that reason, and in the interest of transparency, is there anywhere that we can see CCI's budget? Also, specifically, how many paid staff positions are there and what is the budget for staff salaries?

    Thanks.

  • 32. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:52 am

    Could we get that explosion recorded, I would love to see that happen over and over.

  • 33. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:54 am

    Kathleen, those are very valid questions, it would also be nice to see how much is donated from individuals and where that money goes.

  • 34. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:55 am

    Richard, I think that is going to be next. That is what I am hoping for, this is turning out to be the best birthday +1 present ever.

  • 35. Ed  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Ah yes….here we go…..ya'll knew it wouldn't be long….LOL
    http://www.frc.org/newsroom/family-research-counc…

  • 36. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Sub-scribing, and

    Woot!!!

  • 37. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:58 am

    bJason, with the Secretary of Defense having to approve discharges himself, I don't think that would be necessary. It sounds good, but at this time, someone would have to have really screwed up to get the discharge papers to that level.

  • 38. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:00 am

    And I see they end the press release by thanking a who's who of Senate bigotry.

  • 39. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:01 am

    Happy Birthday +1!

  • 40. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:01 am

    I noticed that Joe did not vote for cloture. And I have already called his office and told him that A. James is spinning in his grave about Joe's cowardice.

  • 41. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:03 am

    As FRC has been recently been listed as a hate group by the SPLC, I don't give TP's statement much credit, I did notice how some of the same verbiage was used by TP that McLame had used before the vote.

  • 42. Bob  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:03 am

    ditto Kathleen's comment,, of course I want to know how Rick;s salary compares to Brian Brown's , which we have been complaining about,,,,,

    of course CC will show us the books,,,,,,,transparency…..

    but don't let that stop us from chippng in today, my next donation willl be after transparency….. where does my donation go,,,,, that's why I'm starting out small…….want more money ?????

  • 43. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:04 am

    Any day that Tony Perkins thinks is "a tragic day" is a good day for America.

  • 44. Justin  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:04 am

    Barbara Boxer's speech was f@cking fabulous.

  • 45. Justin  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:05 am

    Cosigned.

  • 46. Tim  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Check out their radio poll… maybe make a vote? :-)
    http://www.frc.org/newsroom/family-research-counc…

  • 47. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Agreed, Ann!

  • 48. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:07 am

    Yes it was!

  • 49. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:10 am

    Happy birthday. My first husband would have been 69 tomorrow if he were still alive. He was killed when a small private plane he was in crashed in August of 1982. And once DADT and DOMA fall, we really need to ramp up the efforts to pass a fully inclusive ENDA and the UAFA. We have got to make it possible for all discrimination to end, and to keep our binational couples together here, as well as make it possible for Kevyn to move here so he and Felyx can legally get married.

  • 50. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:11 am

    A knock out by Boxer…see what I did there?….I <3 her….. ; ) …Ronnie

  • 51. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:12 am

    Drat. I missed it. Wish I could just stay at my puter today, but so much to do!

  • 52. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Yes, Ann!

  • 53. Dave A  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:15 am

    I think technically he did not vote for repeal. He did not vote for cloture? But I think that when the vote occurs this afternoon he will likely not vote on the repeal as well.

  • 54. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:15 am

    Good morning! Been sleeping in an listening to my audiobook of "The Looming Tower". I had just gotten to 9/11/2001 (shudder) when the battery died. Clearly it was time to get up and get going! I have a lot to do, too, can't watch the news all day.

  • 55. Ed Cortes  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:17 am

    Ahh, yes – the official hate group – the FReaC

  • 56. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:25 am

    His statement will sound something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_Qqnq8pI8

  • 57. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:30 am

    Update above, folks.

  • 58. Dave  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:31 am

    What I am confused, so the Military has to agree to end DADT too or won't end even with this bill. So this might not do much at all then.

  • 59. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:34 am

    This is amazingly good news. There's no way I would have predicted 63 votes in favor; I thought we were in for a worse squeaker that might have even been a loss. Relieved that Scott Brown voted for repeal – I think that means all New England Senators who voted (since Judd Gregg didn't vote) voted for repeal. Well done!

    So what's next? Is there any hope for repeal of DOMA or passage of ENDA and UAFA? I suspect DOMA will be too much of a political third rail, but perhaps the others have a chance? In the meantime, I guess it's a state-by-state battle for marriage equality….

  • 60. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:37 am

    Hooray, a vote at 3 pm Eastern!

  • 61. Straight Dave  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:39 am

    I don't actually think Congress has 60 days to object. There is a 60 day delay in the bill that was inserted just to buy Robert Byrd's consent back in the Spring – fat lot of good that did. It's probably still in there, but has no effect. I don't think it ever had any effect, in the sense of giving Congress an opportunity to do anything at all. It was just a silly useless delay for the hell of it. Now, of course it may have given congress an opportunity to stir up an entirely new bill at that time to cancel out the old one if they suddenly got cold feet or decided the military rushed into this too quickly, but when does Congress ever do anything from start to finish in 60 days? I'm quite sure there is no approval/disapproval sitting in congress' hands anymore. All they can do is sit and watch the clock tick like everyone else. And I hope McCain is agonizing every second of it, realizing he can't stop it.

  • 62. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Even if the new Congress tries to pass a new law undoing this repeal, President Obama wouldn't sign it.

  • 63. Steven in WIndsor/ D  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:46 am

    What a great news to start of my Christmas break from school!!! I am so impressed by the hard work of all parties involved this is a great victory for human dignity and equality!

  • 64. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:54 am

    We need more celebration music/videos on this thread. I'll start.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ffs3w_IFQE

  • 65. Ed  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:55 am

    From CBS news…. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026104-5…
    After reading it, here's the part I found interesting…

    …Then, the Pentagon would begin an implementation plan, which consists of training troops and rewriting all the policies and regulations that would be affected…

    So, it's still gonna be some time, but, does anyone else think they are (at least in part) talking about DOMA? It seems to me this repeal also brought DOMA right into the sightlines of a very big gun….

    Thoughts?
    Ed

  • 66. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:56 am

    It will be very interesting to see what the Pentagon does about base housing and benefits for spouses and partners of LGBT servicemembers, that's for sure.

  • 67. Joel  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:58 am

    The senate passes this, the Prez signs it; does this mean that the court cases re DADT are moot and won't be decided?

  • 68. WanderIn  |  December 18, 2010 at 3:59 am

    Lt Dan Choi, my thoughts are with you today. Surly we stand on the shoulders of Giants, Lt Dan and the others who chained themselves to the Whitehouse fence, you are all heros. You are American Heros. I will be thinking of you during the vote. Lt Dan, I hope you are doing okay now.

  • 69. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:00 am

    Joel, I would guess that they won't be mooted until the certification process mentioned above is completed.

  • 70. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:01 am

    1. The Senate will vote on final passage at 3 PM EST.
    2. It will go to the President's desk, who will sign it.
    3. The President, Chairman of the JCS and Secretary of Defense must certify, in writing, to Congress, that repeal is good for the country and the military is prepared.
    4. There must be a 60-day waiting period afterwards that Sen. Byrd inserted into the bill for no apparent useful reason.
    5. After all that is met, the law will be repealed.

    See my post here quoting Patrick Murphy's letter to colleagues for more:
    http://www.openleft.com/diary/18846/rep-patrick-m…

  • 71. Pearl  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:03 am

    I hope we've learned a valuable lesson from all of this. That (most of) the Republicans are just not that into President Obama. They want to thwart his administration's agenda in every way. I hope we've learned that appeasement and conciliatory measures and making nicey nice trying for bi-partisan agreement doesn't work. They don't want him to succeed. They don't want him to be re-elected. When a minority of 41 Senators can prevent a bill from even being debated and prevent a bill from being brought up for vote it just emphasizes how much we need filibuster reform. A new Senate in January can, on the first day, vote to change it's own rules and eliminate the filibuster or at least reform it and make it harder to obstruct. With a majority of R's in the House next year and no filibuster reform nothing that is progressive or right for this country will get through for the President's signature. End the filibuster.

  • 72. Peterplumber  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:05 am

    I think that since DADT has won enough support for repeal, we may begin to see a domino effect, where all the other discriminatory policies are repealed or ended. With Perry v Schwarzenegger still out there, at the federal level, this new federal policy may loosen people's feelings on SSM. If P v S gets to the supreme court, we will already haveDADT repeal as a federal non-discrimination policy in place.

  • 73. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:06 am

    Someone here posted that (pending the final vote, which is a formality now) Sen. Reid could return Lt. Choi's West Point ring to him – I love the image.

  • 74. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:07 am

    I concur…Thank you to all of our soldiers who have fought fiercely not only for our country but to strike down this law….thank you to all the civilians who fought fiercely along side our soldiers….Having had the chance to march along side Lt. Dan Choi, shake his hand, & watch my mother act like a star struck schoolgirl when meeting him (lol)…I hope this gives him a renewed strength & wish him well……<3….Ronnie

  • 75. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:07 am

    That's my take on it, too. As long as the policy remains in place, with no specific date that it's going away, it can be challenged in the courts.

  • 76. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:07 am

    We'll share. My salary compares very unfavorably to Brian Brown's, I'm sorry to say. I don't get a salary.

    And our office compares unfavorably, too. We don't have one of those, either. We all work from home and/or travel, as you have seen with Arisha, Danny, Phyllis and Anthony with their travels to follow Brian and Maggie. Arisha and the team rented a car for the entire month and put about 9,000 miles on it. They never flew on that whole summer NOM trip. They usually shared one hotel room. Aidan, here in my home office, booked them in inexpensive hotels. Mr. Brian Brown and his Oxford smile would not have been caught dead spending less than $300 a night for a hotel, I'll bet.

    We are truly you, the grassroots.

    We'll get you some more financial information shortly. It's a fair question.

    I can tell you off the top of my head that about 75% of our funding for all of our work comes from small dollar donations. The average donation size is just under $40. That is our strength because we are beholded only to our members.

    But it makes budgeting tough. We have not yet really cracked the foundation world and we don't get donations from BP or Chevron or any of those big corporations that fund other organizations.

    We have about 12 full time equivalent staff, but that fluctuates.

    As concerns NOM, we truly are David to Goliath. They have unlimited funds from secret sources. I can't prove it, but I'll bet that Brian Brown and Maggie Gallagher also get consulting fees from Frank Schubert's consulting firm http://www.schubertpa.com/who_frank.html . It's a sort of anti-equality industrial complex: Maggie and Brown get boatloads of hidden cash. They use it to stir up trouble. Then Schubert (whose sister is a lesbian) goes in and runs cookie-cutter ballot measure campaigns that capitalize on fear and the worst of human instincts. Schubert makes at least 15% or so net from placing all of those "your kids will catch the gay" ads and then he probably passes a kick back off to Maggie and Brown.

    At least that's my theory.

    So again, you have every right to ask how we spend your money and we will share that information in a reasonable manner.

    Does this help a bit?

  • 77. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:09 am

    We'll get you a paypal link. Thanks for pointing this out.

    Rick.

  • 78. Andy Kelley  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:12 am

    Hi Richard. You can donate to Courage via PayPal here: http://www.couragecampaign.org/PayPal

    -Andy

  • 79. Peterplumber  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:12 am

    I thought Byrd died in June? I thought this was a new bill? How could have Byrd put anything into it?

  • 80. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:12 am

    Dear Family Research Council,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WHptG35EWU

  • 81. Peterplumber  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:15 am

    It would be nice if the court case went thru AND WON. Which I feel confident it would. That would solidify the repeal, for sure.

  • 82. Peterplumber  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:16 am

    They should make McClain return it….

  • 83. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:17 am

    It does. And I hope nobody took my question to suggest that people shouldn't donate until the question is answered. That was not my intent at all.

    A lot of people feel burned by the likes of HRC and some other orgs where a lot of money goes to a number of very large salaries. It has always been my impression that CCI is not run that way and it's good to get the facts to back up the impression. I think that if people understand what a truly grassroots org CCI is and just where the money goes, it helps everyone feel even better about donating.

    And, as always, thank you to all the dedicated folks at CCI and P8TT for everything you do. I don't know that we say thank you often enough.

  • 84. Peterplumber  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:22 am

    A filibuster (also known as talking out a bill[1]) is a type of parliamentary procedure. Specifically, it is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body whereby a lone member can elect to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a proposal.

    The term "filibuster" was first used in 1851. It was derived from the Spanish filibustero, which translates as "pirate" or "freebooter." This term had evolved from the French word flibustier, which itself evolved from the Dutch vrijbuiter (free outsider). This term was applied at the time to American adventurers, mostly from Southern states, who sought to overthrow the governments of the Northern and Central states. This is not a reference to the American Civil War, but rather, to adventurers from the southern United States in Central and South America. Later the term was applied to the users of the filibuster, which was viewed as a tactic for pirating or hijacking debate

    Since it was not a rule set up by the founding fathers, perhaps it should be taken out. Sounds like it was implemented by a special interest group anyway.
    We need to limit special interst groups influence in government! It was supposed to be "government by the people, for the people". But big business has made it "government by big business for big bussiness".

  • 85. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:25 am

    And here is my contribution for you Adam!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

  • 86. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:28 am

    I think many of us P8TTs read the comment about a week ago where someone was flustered over HRC salaries and questioned courage campaign. I really never thought of CC like HRC – so I haven't been questioning where the money goes. Nice to see transparency though.

    Unfortunately today I had to spend way too much money to get my car fixed (broke down at 6am after grocery shopping this am – Saturday breakdowns are the worst.) It's already fixed : ) and in my driveway! There must be some good karma today.

    I have to wait til next month to donate.

  • 87. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:31 am

    They used the same language that was used when it was attached to the DOD authorization bill. Byrd got it inserted before he passed.

  • 88. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:34 am

    Thanks, Andy. I just finished making my donation. It is a combination donation that takes my USAF veteran husband into account also. Keep up the good work.

  • 89. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:59 am

    Is McLame ever going to stop trying to obfuscate and obstruct? Or is it going to take a bouquet of lead baseball bats wielded by the One Upstairs when McLame's time comes to even get him to take his final trip?
    Let's get on with the vote, already!

  • 90. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:02 am

    DADT starts now

  • 91. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:03 am

    Here we go again.

  • 92. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:03 am

    I got butterflies in my stomach!

  • 93. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:03 am

    The Senate just began voting on final passage.

  • 94. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Sorry, guys/gals. Had to go do lifey-type-stuff, but I'm here for the vote.

    Crossing fingers, toes, eyes, and anything else I can thing of!

  • 95. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Now how long before the voting is done and we see the results?

  • 96. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Alert and watching!

  • 97. Ed  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:05 am

    so 51 is the target, right???

  • 98. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:05 am

    Woot to California and Barbara Boxer's press-conference comments!

  • 99. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:06 am

    I am actually hoping that we have the same totals we had for cloture, or an even higher number in favor of repeal.

  • 100. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:06 am

    Anonygrl's gonna be pissed that she missed all this! :>

  • 101. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:07 am

    Yep, 51 for passage.

    Is Biden in the capitol today, in case there's a tie?

  • 102. mackenzie  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:08 am

    Please update with final vote numbers when it comes. I have gone to a family function and no longer have cspan. I am refreshing this page on my phone continuously.

  • 103. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:09 am

    text her! I am going to!

  • 104. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:09 am

    @ Kathleen – I feel burned by the HRC. Years ago I donated a significant percentage of my income to them for the fight in GA against a Constitutional Amendment on marriage. They took my money then put up no fight saying that GA was a lost cause. They still see GA as a lost cause. No more cocktail parties for the HRC on MY dime.
    This was a fair question and I thank you for asking it.

  • 105. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:09 am

    What do the Senators do to indicate their votes? Push a button on their desks? Hand something in at the table in front? I feel as though I should know this.

  • 106. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:10 am

    I read your comments earlier…hoping for quick implementation for everyone's sake : )

  • 107. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:10 am

    I can't get onto the CSpan website. Seems we've overloaded their server.

  • 108. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:11 am

    I've got 27 ayes (but may have missed a few)

  • 109. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:11 am

    Did I hear them correctly? McLame voted in favor of repeal? Has hell frozen over?

  • 110. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:11 am

    so far 28 yes and 14 no

  • 111. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:11 am

    I saw some shake their hands in a "rude-like" gesture…others state "aye!" Seems like an auction for cattle or something…

  • 112. Ed  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:12 am

    dammit, i gotta go to work!! richard, text me and lemme know what the hell happens, ok?

  • 113. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:12 am

    There won't be a tie. We're fine.

  • 114. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:12 am

    Olympia voted yes!

  • 115. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:12 am

    Ann. the senators go to the recorder and raise their hand to be acknowledged, when they are, they indicate their vote by a thumbs up or down

  • 116. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:12 am

    So 30? or more?

  • 117. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:13 am

    at 31 now

  • 118. Justin  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:13 am

    Burr actually voted aye???? *faint*

  • 119. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:13 am

    35 aye 15 nay so far

  • 120. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:13 am

    34

  • 121. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:13 am

    Senators approach the desk in the front of the chamber and use their hand to indicate a thumbs-up or thumbs-down sign to the clerk, who then records the votes.

    The House uses electronic device, the results of which are recorded live on C-SPAN, but the World's Greatest Deliberative Body also being the World's Most Archaic, they do not.

  • 122. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:13 am

    sounds like we have it in the bag

  • 123. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:14 am

    36

  • 124. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:14 am

    10-20 minutes.

  • 125. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:14 am

    We got Scott Brown again

  • 126. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:14 am

    37-16

  • 127. Don in Texas  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:14 am

    Senators indicate their vote to the clerk either vocally and/or by hand gesture.

  • 128. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:15 am

    40-17

  • 129. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:15 am

    40-18

  • 130. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:15 am

    40 aye 18 nay so far

  • 131. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:15 am

    I certainly will!

  • 132. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:15 am

    40-20

  • 133. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:15 am

    42-23

  • 134. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:16 am

    42-23

  • 135. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:16 am

    Picked up another R with Ensign

  • 136. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:16 am

    45-24

  • 137. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:16 am

    Interestingly, Burr and Ensign both voted yes.

  • 138. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:16 am

    45-24

  • 139. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:17 am

    interesting topic Ann : ) glad for all the comments about it

  • 140. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:17 am

    46-26

  • 141. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:17 am

    Thanks, all — I couldn't figure out what I should be looking for. I don't usually watch live votes in the Senate.

  • 142. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:17 am

    46-26

  • 143. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:18 am

    47-27

  • 144. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:18 am

    48-27

  • 145. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:18 am

    I guess hell really is freezing over. Or maybe I wasn't the only one who promised to take to the airwaves, the print media and the internet to get him out of office if he voted against repeal.

  • 146. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:18 am

    52 already

  • 147. Straight Dave  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:18 am

    roll call votes so far in favor of repealing DADT: 51

    It's DONE!

  • 148. Ed  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:19 am

    MRS LINCOLN SEALED IT!!!!
    IT"S DONE!!!

  • 149. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:19 am

    I think we just passed the half-way mark!!!!

  • 150. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:19 am

    55-28

  • 151. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:19 am

    Yippee!!!

  • 152. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:19 am

    55-28

    PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 153. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:19 am

    And then how long after that before the list is up on the website?

  • 154. John  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:19 am

    Wow. Justice is prevailing. :)

  • 155. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:20 am

    Life is good – even though both my senators were no's.

  • 156. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:20 am

    It is so nice to see our govt. working the way it is supposed to.

  • 157. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:20 am

    woot! she is one I called : )

  • 158. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:20 am

    59-29

  • 159. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:21 am

    60-30

    10 open

  • 160. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:21 am

    FANTASTIC news!!!

  • 161. Don in Texas  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:22 am

    Another brick falls from the wall of discrimination.

  • 162. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:22 am

    63

  • 163. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:22 am

    ditto for hatch and bennett….though bennett voted for the dream act.

  • 164. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:22 am

    and both of mine – losers! :)

  • 165. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:23 am

    woot – 64

  • 166. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:23 am

    64-30

  • 167. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:23 am

    Yes is does. One more step toward equality in the USA.

  • 168. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:23 am

    64-31

    Are we gonna reach the magic 67 veto-proof number? (Not that it matters, but is symbolic.)

  • 169. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:23 am

    66

  • 170. cc  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:24 am

    Celebrate good times, come on!

  • 171. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:25 am

    We're gonna have a good time tonight! Let's celebrate!

  • 172. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:25 am

    am I counting 65 so far correctly?

  • 173. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:25 am

    66-31

    One short of 2/3

  • 174. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:25 am

    I want to see McLame's head explode!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 175. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Any Idea what way Manchin went?

  • 176. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:27 am

    From Twitter:

    @SenatorReid: @ltdanchoi One hour away from fulfilling my promise to you to kill #DADT

  • 177. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:27 am

    That would be a GREAT celebratory video. :)

  • 178. Pearl  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:27 am

    Every time I hear McCranky speak on the Senate floor I am so grateful he is not our President!

  • 179. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:27 am

    What's the name of the dude that smashes watermelons with a huge mallot?

    I think it'll be something like that. :>

  • 180. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:28 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

  • 181. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:28 am

    me too, Freddy – me too.

    Please train a camera on him!!

  • 182. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:28 am

    : )

  • 183. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:29 am

    Funnily enough, his name is Galliger

  • 184. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:29 am

    67

  • 185. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    Tears of joy, here!

  • 186. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    Just got number 67. Mr Carper

  • 187. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    65 – 31

  • 188. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    That should do it. 65-31.

    Gavel down.

    Passed!

  • 189. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    Is anyone else able to get on CSPAN's website?

  • 190. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    I have a different vote but it's repealed!

  • 191. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:31 am

    I am on it C-Span 2

  • 192. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:31 am

    They just announced 65-31 on CNN.

  • 193. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:31 am

    Sorry for the miscount earlier. :>

  • 194. Justin  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:32 am

    DADT: 1993 to 2010. Rest in Pieces and Good Riddance.

  • 195. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:32 am

    STUNNED! Looking forward to seeing DOMA fall soon as well

  • 196. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:32 am

    HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!…DADT REPEALED!!!!… 65 AYE!!!!- 31 nay…..<3…Ronnie

  • 197. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:33 am

    I, too am on C-SPAN 2

  • 198. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:33 am

    I have the same count – and recount?? strange.

  • 199. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:34 am

    From your mouth to god's ears, Gregory!!

  • 200. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:34 am

    Now for the Perry case!

  • 201. Matt  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:34 am

    DADT

  • 202. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:35 am

    I still have 67 aye, 31 nay. Wonder if some folks changed or removed their votes?

  • 203. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:35 am

    Apparently Sens. John Ensign (R-NV) and Richard Burr (!) (R-NC) were the two who switched to yes. Richard J., you're probably more in shock than I am. 8-0 Manchin was a no-show again.

  • 204. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:35 am

    I came in after the vote started, so I'm guessing it's maxed out. :(

  • 205. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:36 am

    That was my count too, but I'll accept the result from the presiding officer, if it means a win! :>

  • 206. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:38 am

    This definitely calls for this Connie Francis song, even if you aren't Jewish!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUU824ZgBdU

  • 207. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:38 am

    This is going to put a LOT of pressure on DOMA. Addressing inequities for people who are putting their life on the line carries a lot of weight with the public at large. We've seen this in the large polling numbers in favor of this repeal and we saw it in the '60s when people were being drafted at 18, but couldn't yet vote. It was this fact that was the driving force behind lowering the voting age.

    I think it's going to be very hard for the military to refuse housing, benefits, etc., to the legal spouses of members of the military.

  • 208. Kathlene  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:38 am

    LMFAO

  • 209. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:39 am

    Yes – then DOMA and ENDA.

    Still a lot of work to be done.

  • 210. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:40 am

    I think C-span crashed!

  • 211. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:40 am

    Of course, with all of us here to spread the word and ramp up the calls to the House and Senate to do the right thing or get voted out of office, we can definitely add plenty of feet and wings to that prayer!

  • 212. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:40 am

    We won!!

  • 213. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:41 am

    Well, Elaine Donnelly should be joining the Family Research Council, American Family Association, or Concerned Women for America shortly, since the Center for Military Readiness is now obsolete. Notice how NOM stayed mum on this? They're not the chief haters like FRC and AFA, so I suppose they decided to save their money (that, or they honestly don't care about DADT).

    Thoughts on what the next legislative battle will be?

  • 214. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:41 am

    Manchin's office released a statement stating he cannot support repeal, and skipped both the cloture and final passage votes. He's a piece of work.

  • 215. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:41 am

    Kathleen, that is what I am hoping for, one thing at a time, soon as P8 falls I can come over and get married

  • 216. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:42 am

    I am still watching

  • 217. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:42 am

    With Richard Burr voting to repeal, I am wondering if hell has frozen over! Of course, that is not going to stop me from dancing the hora to Hava Nagila! As the translation of the title says "Let's Rejoice!"

  • 218. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:42 am

    I hope you are right, Kathleen.

  • 219. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:43 am

    And I'm hoping that is SOON!

  • 220. DazedWheels  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:43 am

    I'll take the 65, too, and gladly!

  • 221. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:47 am

    Glad U got your car fixed LLB : )

  • 222. Justin  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:47 am

    What a coward he is. I'd have more respect for him if he'd just vote no rather than abstaining altogether.

  • 223. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:49 am

    I think DOMA is next for the chopping block. However, given the incoming congress, I'm not sure if that will happen. I think the rest of our battles will be played out in the courts – at least for the next few years.

  • 224. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:50 am

    The trouble is, the professional bigots are really good at spinning DOMA repeal as making same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states, which of course it isn't. Even in this Congress, I don't think DOMA repeal would have survived a filibuster, and it's going to be tougher in the new Senate and the newly Republican House. Perhaps ENDA is an easier lift? I'm just not sure….look at how much effort it took to pass DADT repeal with a large majority of the public in favor. We shall see…trying to think positive.

  • 225. Don in Texas  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:51 am

    It seems to me that DOMA will be struck down by the courts in view of the fact that parts of it already have been declared unconstitutional.

    ENDA probably will be the next legislative battlefield.

  • 226. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:54 am

    Then Manchin will go down in the history books as the one who chose to be the a coward….so sad for him….<3…Ronnie

  • 227. adambink  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:14 am

    New thread up, folks.
    http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/12/18/senate-vo…

  • 228. Matt  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:48 am

    DADT is DEAD!!!!!!

  • 229. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:24 am

    We all are very lucky to have Sen. Boxer as a Sen.

    And this group right here, with Anthony suffering a physical beating from NOM in Santa Ana, tracked NOM's "Vota" bus. On that trip, Arisha et al captured the president of Brian Brown's Ruth Institute trashing Boxer and calling for votes for Fiorina, which is a violation of her C3 charter. And we filed a complaint. And their Latina spokesperson left the bus ride thanks to you and the P8TT team.

    We have to hold them all accountable all the time.

    Next stop is New Hampshire.

  • 230. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:24 am

    That's PERFECT. I wonder if anyone will do a graphic of that?

  • 231. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:27 am

    Here was one I saw earlier
    http://www.ofunne.com/human-rights-3/obituary-don…

    of course, you could do a contest for the DADT obitiuary writing – forget my bad spelling though.

  • 232. Leo  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:23 am

    It won't be moot until then, but realistically, what do you think is likely to happen? Could the government ask to stay the appeal? Would it be granted? If the appeal proceeds without a stay, after the oral argument there's no deadline for a ruling. What's the chance of the judges simply sitting on their butts until the repeal becomes effective and then saying "oh hai, it's moot now?"

  • 233. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:28 am

    C-SPAN 2 just scrolled Vote on Repealing DADT Live at 3 pm EST today!!

  • 234. celdd  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:28 am

    I just turned back to C-SPAN. As far as I understand, the vote for DADT will be at 3 PM EST, noon PST!

    Debate now for DADT and START

  • 235. Rhie  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Watching

  • 236. Gew  |  December 18, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Well, I am very happily eating my words.

    I posted quite some time ago here that DADT wouldn't be repealed any time soon and I am VERY pleased to have to eat crow. :)

    *nom nom nom*

  • 237. bJason  |  December 18, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    I still have a feed, too.

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