Equality On Trial

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• 1. Ann S.  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:08 am

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• 2. Alan E.  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:11 am

  Of course. The religious argument! The bane of the judicial system and the always correct support for backing laws! As long as it is Chrisitanity, the government isn'tviolating the separation of Church and State because there are many types of Christianity, but only mine is the real one.

• 3. Kathleen  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:13 am

  “We currently have a judge in San Diego, Phillips, who thinks she can tell the pentagon what to do,” said Dirkx. “When you offend God individually, God will deal with you individually; but when you offend God as a nation, that’s a different story.”

  Well, I don't know about offending God, but he offended me with his poor grasp of California geography. I wonder what San Diegans think of being confused with Riverside.

• 4. Alan E.  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:15 am

  ooo I love engaging in "gay entertainment sexually"

• 5. Ronnie  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:16 am

  “When you offend God individually, God will deal with you individually; but when you offend God as a nation, that’s a different story.”

  Really?…Because "God" apparently said to all the countries that have Equality & are more American then America itself…."God Job ….go forth & live freely"….or something like that…. <3…Ronnie

• 6. Alan E.  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:17 am

  OMG that goat call was the best!

• 7. Alan E.  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:21 am

  He (the third video) doesn't hate gays. He just thinks they are promiscuous, disease-ridden, loveless, warped sodomites.

• 8. Alan E.  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:24 am

  I just can't get enough of the goat noise! I keep going back and restarting the video at that point.

• 9. Ronnie  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:28 am

  Wait…. I was born, raised & currently live in the city of Sodom?….but I thought "God" destroyed Sodom?….Oh I must be ghost ….BOO!!! …..woooooooooo ….mmmuahahahahaha…

  ; ) ….Ronnie

• 10. Alan E.  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:36 am

  This is a more accurate summary of what Dave had to say.

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  11. Sagesse  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:39 am

  On the road again.

• 12. JonT  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:47 am

  ☮

• 13. Richard A. Walter (s  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:48 am

  Wait a minute! A man who lives in New Jersey is on a bus with Montana tags, with a politician from Texas in tow, and he is hypocritical enough and weasely enough to tell Iowans that people from out of state should not be influencing how Iowans vote? Hey Brian what meds are you supposed to be on to maintain your focus and rationality? It is very obvious that you aren't taking them! And yes, Louis, you can even give Brian my name when you read this to him. Would you like the day, date, time, and location of our wedding so you can send a gift to Feed Equality in our honor, or even attend the wedding?

• 14. Rhie  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:55 am

  Yup. The One True Christianity.

  I just watched most of the first video. I normally don't watch videos of the NOM types here, and I remembered why after seeing that. Oh. My. God. Just…wow. He's almost funny in how deadly serious he is while saying completely contradictory and asinine things.

• 15. Rhie  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:59 am

  Offend God…as a nation. Does she mean that God is a nation or that the nation is offending God? If she means the first, she ought to go back to Sunday School. If she means the second, does she consider herself part of this nation? Does she think she…?

  Oooh. She believes that if she doesn't try to get people to live up to her One True Christian religion she will be zapped by God for not being Christian enough. She is, most likely, so terrified of that idea that she justifies any behavior in pursuit of changing people's minds. She thinks she is going to hell if she lets an LGBT supporter walk away unconvinced.

  At least, that is what I get from her. I know that was what i felt as a kid.

• 16. JonT  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:11 am

  Ok, the first guy 'Ron' was… kinda funny actually. With phrases like 'they choose to entertain themselves sexually', 'no child has ever been born to homosexuals', and homosexuals cannot produce soldiers.

  Children == Soldiers, according to this guy. Huh. I've never had children, and probably never will, but if I did – I am pretty certain I would not be interested in sending her/him to the other side of the planet to fight in some holy oil war.

  Dave. Well, he's a 'slippery-slope' guy who likes cameras and goats apparently. Not much else to him.

  And Don – the 'sodomy marriage' guy. I am no doctor, but I was completely unaware of the fact that 'sodomy causes AIDS'.

  One common theme between all of these people, besides their clear hatred distaste for LGBT people and sheer ignorance? Their god. Oh how desperately they all hide behind 'him' to justify their hatred. What sad little people.

  PS: Commenting is still… 'broken' for me… Just saying

• 17. JonT  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:14 am

  Sorry, ending should have been:

  …

  One common theme between all of these people, besides their clear hatred distaste for LGBT people and sheer ignorance? Their god. Oh how desperately they all hide behind ‘him’ to justify their hatred. What sad little people.

  PS: Commenting is still… ‘broken’ for me… Just saying
  Oh my kingdom for a Preview or Edit button…

• 18. Richard Cortijo  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:23 am

  All three of those videos were beyond distrubing…It would be scary to be around people like that. I don't know how you do it girl but thank you so much for having the guts and composure to stand up to them professionally and bring us your interviews and news on the road. It is plainly obvious of their angst against gays and their biblical justification. I feel sorry for the poor judges being up to their vote in order to keep bringing true justice for all to Iowa. I sure hope they are retained!!!

• 19. truthspew  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:25 am

  Of course. I wish you guys would start asking them where they got the information to form their views on gay marriage.

  Dollars to donuts I bet they all say the church. Be it Catholic, Protestant, or Mormon they're all against us.

• 20. Chris in Lathrop  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:32 am

  When exactly did civics classes stop teaching students what a judge's role in deciding law is? Probably the same time they started teaching goat noises?

  P.S. Thanks, Alan, for sharing that disturbing remix! lol

• 21. Cat  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:38 am

  Thank God (pun intended) that we have people who know so well what God's opinions, intentions and actions are. I always thought "man" shouldn't presume to know God's ways, so I never dare to speculate.

  And contrary to this man's opinion, Judge Phillips can potentially tell *anyone* within her jurisdiction what to do. That's her job: to hear legal conflicts, make decisions, and order people or organizations what to do. And despite my hesitation to presume, I'm pretty sure Judge Phillips is doing "God's Will". And that's the truth because my religion tells me so. What say you to that?

• 22. Santa Barbara Mom  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:40 am

  All these people are truly pathetic. I just can't figure out how anyone can have both "hate" and "belief in God"……….and be so ignorant in not being able to see that this is WRONG.
  Regarding the person who was asking questions for her college paper ~ I think I finally got the words "reparative therapy" out of her thinking. I did share with her that she had opened my eyes "to the degree of ignorance that people have". Maybe not a good choice of words. Ughhh, so I've taken up hula hooping

• 23. nightshayde  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:43 am

  Civics classes? Do they even HAVE those any more? I'm pretty sure the right-wing-wacko-homeschoolers don't even tough on the matter. They just want their little sheeple to think that we are a Christian nation & all branches of government should be governing according to biblical standards.

• 24. Cat  |  October 26, 2010 at 10:56 am

  Scary stuff. The kind of religion these people follow must do some serious brain damage, disabling the capacity for logical reasoning and preventing retention of inconvenient facts, while greatly increasing their irrational fear. The chance of talking some sense into these people is slim to none, esp. when they cling to their group. The only (but very important) reason to vocally oppose these people is to make sure other people get the real story.

• 25. Lee  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:01 am

  Ron: "There's been a few homosexuals who have chosen to go and engage in the military…but they will not replenish the population of the country enough to secure an army."

  Okay, what exactly has given Ron the idea that the American population needs "replenishing?" Is he expecting some huge disaster to strike us all where its going to be solely up to the married couples of America to "produce enough to secure the nation?" [sigh]

  I wonder if he thinks sterile people should be allowed to marry? After all, sterile couples have "never produced child. Not one."

  And as an English major, I love the "definition of marriage/redefining marriage" argument so many of these people use. Aside from the fact that I fail to see how gay marriage is redefining the concept, you'd think these people would realize that language isn't exactly static. All of the major dictionary makers update their dictionaries every few years or so. In fact, I invite all the NOM supporters out there to take a look at Merriam Webster Online's entry for the word marriage:

  "a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage"

  It's amazing how close-minded some of these anti-equality people can be.

• 26. Lee  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:08 am

  Sorry, I only meant for that first paragraph (Ron's quote) to be in italics. Guess I don't know how to use basic html anymore…

• 27. Rhie  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:39 am

  Have I ever told you I just love you?

  (As a friend of course)

• 28. Eden James  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:55 am

  Classic.

  Alan — your creativity has been promoted to the front page as an update to this post. Congrats.

• 29. wolfinlv  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:59 am

  Maybe we should form up a group asking to vote on their rights and call it. National Alliance of Gays Against Straight Mariage. NAGASM for short and our tag line Nah, Gas'em! Will be spewed when people ask about what should be done to straights wanting marriage. "Nah, gas em!" LOL

• 30. Jonathan H  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:20 pm

  Well, obviously we need to be constantly increasing the population with new soldiers to build up against losses incurred in the constant War on Satan. Evil. Blacks. Women. Communists. Drugs. Terror. Equality. Basic human decency. whatever the fuck they're ranting about this week. Because, you know, this is God's Own Country and we have a civic duty to conquer the world for Jesus or something.

  I kept wanting to grab Ron by the lapels and shout "People do not exist to serve society! We are not slaves or serfs who are only conceived and born in order to pay taxes and die for the use of our masters! You fucking moron!"

  Ron really pissed me off. And now, puppies.

• 31. Ann S.  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:20 pm

  I wonder what San Diegans think of being confused with Riverside.

  Not much, I imagine.

• 32. Richard A. Walter (s  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:37 pm

  OTOH, they may be proud of being named in the same breath as a federal judge who has enough courage to stand up for the Constitution instead of caving in to the Theocrats who want to steal this country away from us.

• 33. Gregory in SLC  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:46 pm

  Waa Waa Waa Waa Waa….oh! that is what a goat sounds like! LOL! My goodness….I guess these NO! rallies bring out the *funnest* NOMBIES! Happy Halloween Dave the Goat!

• 34. paul  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:47 pm

  My dear Arisha…
  You have more patience and tolerance than anyone I know. You're doing such a great job and I wish I could give you a big hug tonight. Keep letting them talk and as we see their ignorance, we'll understand just how this whole issue came to be. I was laughing at this guy with the goat thing… can't imagine anyone taking him seriously. And "Don in Winerset"…was he fun or what ???? Keep up the good work, stay patient, focused and you'll get the job done for us.

• 35. Gregory in SLC  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:49 pm

  Alisha you sound very composed and a sincere listener despite the absurd diatribe you are subjected to… Sorry Brian flew the coop–love the questions ya'll brainstormed nonetheless! Love, Gregory

• 36. Gregory in SLC  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:50 pm

  DITTO!!!

• 37. Gregory in SLC  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:52 pm

  The videos are baffling and stunning! Like a circus or comedian act or something….I wonder if we sound that "weird" to them? hmmmmmmmmmmm…..

• 38. Kathleen  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:56 pm

  Thanks for the puppies, Jonathan. I destress by watching videos of baby otters.

• 39. Kathleen  |  October 26, 2010 at 12:57 pm

  Still not enough to get me to claim/live in Riverside.

• 40. Matthew  |  October 26, 2010 at 1:06 pm

  The people in these videos make me sad. Their warped opinions are part of why so many of our brethren give up the fight and choose suicide.

  God bless them. They know not the evil they are spreading in the world.

• 41. Ann S.  |  October 26, 2010 at 1:30 pm

  Thank you, Alan! Great job!

  Sure, a goat can consent. It's one thing to talk to goats, but when the goats speak to you — that's when I get a bit worried about you.

• 42. Ann S.  |  October 26, 2010 at 1:31 pm

  Great job, Arisha!!!

• 43. Jonathan H  |  October 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm

  Yes, cuteness is really useful for that! And I just noticed that I left out "witches" from my list up there, and that's just sad.

• 44. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  October 26, 2010 at 2:12 pm

  Julie, you've done good with that lady, even if she doesn't completely change her mind, you made her think. Something that people don't seem to do a lot of.

  Gregory, if what I read here is any indication, if we do sound that weird to them, it is because they do not understand logic.

  Sheryl, Mormon Mother

• 45. Lora  |  October 26, 2010 at 3:46 pm

  Boy, Ron sure is obsessed with gay sex, isn't he??? Geez!

• 46. Lora  |  October 26, 2010 at 3:47 pm

  Arisha…I honestly don't know how you are so calm interviewing these idiots! My hats off to you!!! Wow!

• 47. Lora  |  October 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm

  Looks like all these guys think about is gay sex! How does Don in Winterset know what gays and lesbians do…:"Because that's what homosexuals do." Yikes! I get so angry watching these videos…but I still do and I thank you, Arisha, for making and posting them. Arrrrrghhh!

• 48. Steve  |  October 26, 2010 at 8:42 pm

  "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires ."
  – Susan B. Anthony

• 49. Steve  |  October 26, 2010 at 8:47 pm

  They think – just like military itself does – that the military is above the law. That it can do whatever it wants and that it can dictate to politicians as it pleases.

  While too much meddling in military affairs is very dangerous too, that pretty much only plays a role when politicians meddle in operational details. American politicians however, give way, way, way too much deference to the military and its leaders. That's even a kind of a legal doctrine. They fully expect complete deference by the courts.

• 50. Steve  |  October 26, 2010 at 9:42 pm

  Why is it so incomprehensible that believers hate other people? Open your eyes. Look around the world. Religion and hatred go hand in hand. Most of the believers who actually have a "live and let live" attitude, don't actually take their faith all that seriously. They are in it for the community, the rituals, some kind of spirituality, maybe an assurance that there is an afterlife. But they don't buy into much if any of the dogma.

  Christians go on and on about how you need religion and god to even have morals. But how moral can you really be if your decisions are based on either the expectations of a reward (heaven) or fear of punishment (hell)? How can you have really have morals based on faith if there is no evil big enough that it can't be justified by religion? All you need is someone claiming that an action is "God's will" and you will have no trouble finding someone to do it.

• 51. Richard A. Walter (s  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:26 pm

  Especially the one of the two otters holding hands while they swim, and then they break apart and rejoin. I love that one!

• 52. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:35 pm

  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• 53. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  October 26, 2010 at 11:45 pm

  another Classic video from previous NOM tour….
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ0nkykrTBw&fe…

• 54. Tasty Salamanders  |  October 27, 2010 at 1:16 am

  I can hardly believe what I am reading: http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/arkansas_sc…

  I am speechless.

• 55. Richard A. Walter (s  |  October 27, 2010 at 1:19 am

  There is a page on FB calling for him to be fired. I hope the page goes viral and that he is fired. This man will never have to worry about dying from a heart attack, because he has no heart.

• 56. Teddy  |  October 27, 2010 at 1:31 am

  It always tickles me how knowledgable these people are about my sex life…. XD

• 57. Richard A. Walter (s  |  October 27, 2010 at 2:56 am

  Sex life? What's that?

• 58. Doug  |  October 27, 2010 at 3:22 am

  After watching the video of Ron, I wrote this note on my Facebook and thought I'd share it here as well. I hope it formats properly here.

  I just watched a video of a NOM supporter and it's the same ole story. "Marriage is DEFINED as between a man and a woman." I guess it depends on what book your looking up the definition in but a Google search of "define: marriage" didn't find it. I think they need a new word because "defined" isn't quite accurate.

  And before you go and say "It's in the Bible.", I'll say that yes parts of the Bible can be interpreted that way but it's a moot point. Our very 1st amendment prevents church doctrine from interfering with the laws of the land and thankfully so or there would be lots of people put to death for doing things like cursing at your parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB), adulters, aka cheaters and the person cheated with (Leviticus 20:10 NLT), a priest's daughter that has sex (Leviticus 21:9 NAB), any follower of any other religion (Exodus 22:19 NAB), and any woman that is not a virgin on her wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) among many, many others of course. Of course the bible also says that all homosexuals must die (Leviticus 20:13 NAB). You'll have to catch me first. I'm not letting anyone kill me without a fight because a book written by men 2000+ years ago so a few could control the masses says so. Besides, being gay wasn't as trendy back then as it is today.

  "God" is not a nice being at all if you stop and think about it of two ticks. Executioner would be the job of choice in a bible run world. Job security wouldn't be much better.

  Google search – Definitions of marriage on the Web:

  the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce); "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union"

  two people who are married to each other; "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love"

  the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony; "their marriage was conducted in the chapel" a close and intimate union; "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"

  — wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

  Marriage is a social union or legal contract between individuals that creates kinship. It is an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged in a variety of ways, depending on the culture or subculture in which it is found. …

  – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

  The Marriage was the first prime-time network television series to be broadcast regularly in color. It was a situation comedy broadcast live by NBC for seven episodes in the summer of 1954.

  — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage

  In conflict of laws, the issue of marriage has assumed increasing public policy significance in a world of increasing multi-ethnic, multi-cultural community existence.

  — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(conflict)

  Marriage (Женитьба, Zhenit'ba) is a play by the Russian writer Nikolai Gogol, which was first published in 1842.

  — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(play)

  The Marriage is a comic opera in 2 acts by Bohuslav Martinů, to the composer's own libretto, after the play of the same name by Gogol.

  — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage_(opera)

  Marriage is the debut album from Canadian rock band Attack in Black, released July 31, 2007. The album was released by Dine Alone Records as both a CD and through digital download. The album won "NXNE Favourite New Indie Record Release" at the 2007 CASBY Awards.

  –en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(album)

  Married Life is a 2007 American drama film directed by Ira Sachs. The screenplay by Sachs and Oren Moverman is based on the 1953 novel Five Roundabouts to Heaven by John Bingham. Cast members include Patricia Clarkson, Chris Cooper, and Rachel McAdams and Pierce Brosnan.

  — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(film)

  Zhenitba (Женитьба, Zhenit'ba, Marriage) is an unfinished opera begun in 1868 by Modest Mussorgsky to his own libretto based on Nikolai Gogol's comedy Marriage.

  — en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage_(Mussorgsky)

  The state of being married; The union of two people, to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life; A wedding; A close union; A joining of two parts; A king and a queen as a starting hand in Texas hold 'em

  — en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Marriage

  married – a person who is married; "we invited several young marrieds"

  married – marital: of or relating to the state of marriage; "marital status"; "marital fidelity"; "married bliss"

  — wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

• 59. Rhie  |  October 27, 2010 at 7:12 am

  You can reason with people, but it is difficult. It's like a really weird game of Taboo. Say certain words or phrases when talking about certain topics – woman's choice, for example, when talking about abortion – and the person just shuts down.

  The circular logic and strawmen arguments they were taught and just repeat those and the catchphrases – right to life, for example.

  A person has to know what that brainwashing was, and what to avoid.

  Then, start to plant doubts. The one that cracked if for me was learning that what I was taught about people who use drugs was completely false. I started to wonder what else the church was wrong about.

  I had great friends who were patient and who kept expanding those doubts and got me to actually think.

• 60. Rhie  |  October 27, 2010 at 7:29 am

  Oh wow. What you say is so important and so inspiring. In the legitimate upset and anger, we can't forget compassion.

  What you say reminds of what Jesus said to those who ultimately killed him: "Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do."

• 61. NOM’s Brian Brown: &hellip  |  October 27, 2010 at 10:42 am

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• 62. Rhie  |  October 27, 2010 at 12:00 pm

  Qualify your statements with some Christians and some religious people. Sweeping broad brush statements are untrue by definition. They are also easy to defeat and difficult to defend. All I have to do is point out that I know one Christian who is for equality AND takes their faith very seriously to completely destroy your argument.

  That's a shame, since you have some good points, when the comments are limited to some.

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