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“Judge Bus” kickoff turns into #NOMturnoutFAIL embarrassment in Iowa: Equality supporters 98, NOM 42
October 25, 2010
NOM Exposed NOM Tour Tracker-Iowa Right-wing
Here is Arisha’s first report from NOM’s first stops in Des Moines, Winterset and Atlantic, Iowa — as well as the counter-rally held by equality supporters that doubled NOM’s turnout at their pathetically-attended kickoff event in Des Moines. Check out her intro post on the tour here. – Eden
By Arisha Michelle Hatch
This morning on the steps of the Iowa State Capitol in Des Moines, 98 equality supporters and several media outlets assembled to kickoff the Homegrown Justice Tour, a counter-tour organizing events in cities across Iowa to greet the Judge Bus.
Equality supporters behind the podium:
Equality supporters and media in front of the podium:
Senator Tom Harkin with equality supporters:
Meanwhile, just below the steps, 42 NOM supporters joined the Judge Bus and heard from a number of speakers including two “old friends” Brian Brown and Tamara Scott from Concerned Women for America.
Here is Congressman Steve King speaking in front of the “podium” (earlier, we posted a short video from his speech):
And here’s what Steve King and NOM’s Brian Brown were looking at, as they spoke:
“We in the heartland have been taken hostage,” explained Scott who later described Iowa justices as “black robed bandits.”
“Mom to mom, parent to parent I want you to remember three things: No, no, no.”
“The whole country [is watching to see]…if the people of Iowa will stand up and say ‘enough is enough,” said Brown.
We also had the privilege to speak to several interesting NOM supporters, including one man who suggested that if same-sex marriage is allowed people might try to marry goats or other inanimate objects.
“I love my camera, should I be able to marry it?”
In Winterset, NOM drew a crowd of 14 people (including one family with seven children). Here’s a shot from that “rally” — and yes, that’s Brian Brown joining the crowd towards the back to make it look, er, larger:
We had the opportunity to talk to one of those supporters who repeatedly referred to same-sex marriage as “sodomy-marriage” and expressed concerns that legalization would lead to the “desecration” of the institution, as well as, the proliferation of AIDS.
Next, the Judge Bus made a quick stop in Atlantic – so quick, in fact, that we arrived on the scene several minutes after the Judge Bus had already left (we left about 20 minutes after the bus because we stayed behind to interview Brian Brown, who has opted travel in a rental car behind the Judge Bus.)
We arrived in Atlantic just in time to catch a heated exchange between equality supporters and one NOM representative who stayed behind to talk with the counter-protestors as the Judge Bus left to make it’s way to it’s next stop in Red Oak.
On a personal note, day 1 of this tour has already been extremely stressful for me from a time-perspective. There are so many great interviews to be had with NOM’s fringe supporters that it’s been difficult to keep up with the Judge Bus’ pace. I’m lucky to be joined on this tour by Rachel Johnson, a local LGBT activist who has stepped in for Anthony and Phyllis. She’s been amazing as we drive through the unpaved country roads in an attempt to catchup with the Judge Bus. We’ll make sure she gets a proper introduction the the P8TT community before the week is done.
More to come…
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105 Comments Leave a Comment
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Alan E. | October 25, 2010 at 7:45 am
Judgebus people twist their logic so much, they could be known as Purple Nurples.
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Ann S. | October 25, 2010 at 7:48 am
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Arisha and Courage Campaign, for making this possible. I know it can't be easy!
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Wine Country Lurker | October 25, 2010 at 7:50 am
“Mom to mom, parent to parent I want you to remember three things: No, no, no.”
Help! I've been P8TT brainwashed!
I apparently can no longer correctly read the word "Mom". It took me THREE tries through that quote before I "got it". LOL
{*checking the box*}
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Richard A. Walter (s | October 25, 2010 at 7:52 am
Will these people ever learn to open up their ears, their eyes and their minds and take an honest look at the facts and study them well enough that they actually have a working comprehension of them, or are they simply going to follow the fear-mongering theocrats like sheep? Wake up, people! NOM and their ilk will go for us first, and once they convince you to vote us into the death camps, they will go after any of you who do not agree with them 100%! NOM and their ilk are acting too much like the Nazi party in Germany did!
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Rhie | October 25, 2010 at 7:58 am
I read that as Purple Nipples…
And, of course, I wouldn't vote to retain activist judges. I wouldn't want a judge that, for example, voted against equal marriage because they clearly aren't voting with precedent and logic and law.
So, I think those Iowa judges are safe
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JonT | October 25, 2010 at 7:59 am
Subscribing (☮)
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Mark M. (Seattle) | October 25, 2010 at 8:01 am
Thank you Arisha (and Rachel)!
I have yet to hear from my sister in Atlantic, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was behind the 'heated exchange'
LOL
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Alan E. | October 25, 2010 at 8:03 am
Well the first thing I could think of relating to twisting logic and the color of the bus was Purple Nurples. You would also be correct to read it as nipples.
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Ronnie | October 25, 2010 at 8:07 am
Wow…look at NOM's white washed crowd… FAIL!!!!….mmmmuahahahahaha…<3…Ronnie
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 8:08 am
Ditto! and Welcome Rachel Johnson
subs.
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 8:08 am
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 8:09 am
nice Halloween laugh Ronnie : )
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Andrea | October 25, 2010 at 8:09 am
has the been any polling to see how much of a threat this really is? also, friendly grammatical reminder: it's = it is, not the possessive "the bus made its way…"
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Rich | October 25, 2010 at 8:15 am
Could be worse. Could be Uganda trying to criminalize homosexuality with the death penalty.
NOM reminds me of the Ugandan minister who pulls out his laptop at revival meetings to show a scat porn video and claims that all homosexuals eat poo poo and want to recruit your children.
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Mark M. (Seattle) | October 25, 2010 at 8:16 am
Really??? Gramar police…really?
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Mark M. (Seattle) | October 25, 2010 at 8:18 am
…..and yes spelling error was on purpose
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nightshayde | October 25, 2010 at 8:22 am
Thank you, Andrea. That's one of my grammatical pet peeves (there are quite a few, actually — I'm a proofreader), and I twitched when I saw the extraneous apostrophe.
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 8:31 am
hope my grammmer doesn't start getting poleeced : /
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Varika | October 25, 2010 at 8:35 am
O, Richard. Richard, Richard, Richard. Why do you sink to their fear-mongering level?
It is a fact that mentioning Hitler, Nazis, death camps, or anything else to do with Germany during and before WWII does NOTHING to cause people to look at facts or study anything. This is pecisely the same tactic as telling people that if same-sex marriages are allowed, Christians will not be allowed to practice their religion.
Please to be NOT looking like a NOM-er.
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 8:37 am
LOL! I have 4 children…2 that often correct my writing and speech. When work 2 full-time jobs, often sleep 1-4 hrs a night during the week makes it hard to type sentences that are coherent, let alone grammatically correct!
Laughing aside, I recall a time when a special someone stopped writing on the this board because his grammar was pointed out as incorrect…I would invite you excellent proof-readers to no be so harsh on us non-proofreaders.
((HUGS)) Gregory
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nightshayde | October 25, 2010 at 8:40 am
I only get snarky about my grammatical pet peeves with people who don't support marriage equality. =)
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 8:48 am
deal! ((HUGS)) nightshayde!
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Alan E. | October 25, 2010 at 8:49 am
UPDATE: Log Cabin Republicans have filed their brief against the stay pending appeal. Comments and a link to the brief at Towleroad:
http://www.towleroad.com/2010/10/log-cabin-republ…
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Sagesse | October 25, 2010 at 8:51 am
More mail please.
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Kate | October 25, 2010 at 8:55 am
I like the way the orange reflectors on the side of the bus look like equal signs. They go well with the purple theme.
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Alan E. | October 25, 2010 at 9:01 am
I think those are turn signals, so they even light up =)
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Sagesse | October 25, 2010 at 9:01 am
Local reporting on the bus tour
IowaPolitics.com: Dueling bus tours make case for "yes" and "no" votes on judicial retention
http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=215…
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fiona64 | October 25, 2010 at 9:09 am
Except that he's right.
There are anti-gay "reeducation camps" springing up all over the place, with parents signing their kids over to them. Things like "Love Won Out," which is sponsored by Dobson's Focus on the Family. Another is "Love in Action,' which has a three-month "residential" reeducation program called "The Source." Again, parents sign their kids over to these programs.
Please also remember that Prop 8 has its historical origins in the Nuremberg laws, which said who was allowed to marry whom and have full rights of citizenship. The Nuremberg laws systematically removed rights from Jewish people, the Rom, Poles, and gay folk.
Love,
Fiona
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Sagesse | October 25, 2010 at 9:12 am
Following the money this election season
Gold's Gym Takes Your Membership Fees and Gives Them to Anti-Gay Politicians
http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/golds_gym_t…
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Alan E. | October 25, 2010 at 9:13 am
But take a look at what the San Francisco Gold's Gyms are doing:
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/10/san-francisc…
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Steve | October 25, 2010 at 9:15 am
So fostering monogamous relationships will some increase the spread of HIV? Right…
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Ed Cortes | October 25, 2010 at 9:17 am
'scribin'
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Alan E. | October 25, 2010 at 9:17 am
I'm really missing Kathleen right about now. There are so many briefs coming in, but I would love to print as many as I can for the trip home.
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 9:18 am
AMICUS BRIEF in Perry
Amicus brief by Howard University School of Law Civil Rights Clinic and Americans United for Separation of Church and State in support of Plaintiffs-Appellees. http://www.scribd.com/doc/40113509
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 9:28 am
AMICUS BRIEF in Perry
Amicus brief by National LGBT Bar Association in support of Plaintiffs-Appellees. http://www.scribd.com/doc/40114012
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Straight Ally #3008 | October 25, 2010 at 9:28 am
This is an impression of the NOMNOMs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_Qqnq8pI8
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scamps | October 25, 2010 at 9:29 am
The only good "NOM" is from an adorable cat eating food.
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 9:33 am
AMICUS BRIEF in Perry
Amicus brief by Commonwealth of Massachusetts in support of Plaintiffs-Appellees. http://www.scribd.com/doc/40114292
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StraightSupporter | October 25, 2010 at 9:38 am
Is it just me or does it seem like most (but not all) of the anti-equality supporters are always older generations. It just seems to paint the picture more that it isn't about equality for them, or 'values', but trying to keep things the way they want them. Older, inflexible people who long for the days when LGBT people were in the closet, women were in their 'rightful' place at home making babies and cooking, everyone believe their religion to be the so-called 'truth', etc. It makes me wonder if the younger generation when they get older will be the same way.
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Straight Ally #3008 | October 25, 2010 at 9:38 am
Andrea was being very nice in her edification. I take them as friendly amendments. Other pet peeves are "your" vs. "you're" and "they're/there/their."
And since I'm often moved to say it when reading items from the Courage Campaign, it's "Hear, hear!" rather than "Here, here!" Just think of "Hear (him or her), hear (him or her)!"
Have a nice night!
/Grammar police cruiser pulls away
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 9:38 am
ditto Richard and Fiona
seems like a technique that could be in a death camp:
"So the bishop and Mike’s father arranged to get him “treatment.” They could get things right, and Mike could go on his mission.
As Mike wrote in his suicide note, “The Mormon Church sent a 17-yr-old boy into electroshock therapy.” Marilyn said Mike was shown pornography with electrodes attached to his penis."
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50525254-76/mik…
and
http://www.suite101.com/content/byu-electroshock-…
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Tracy | October 25, 2010 at 9:39 am
You have to wonder about the intelligence of someone who doesn't understand the difference between a human being and a camera.
Or between the love one feels for his spouse versus the love he feels for his camera. I feel sorry for that guy's wife.
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 9:41 am
and…
http://www.affirmation.org/films/legacies.shtml
p.s. I lived in UT, attended BYU and was advised some of these treatments in the 1980's even early 1990's
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Mouse | October 25, 2010 at 9:43 am
And besides that he is correct in drawing this parallel, the bad guys use these same fear-tactics because they work.
At least when Richard compares them to the Nazis, it is because what they are doing is similar to what the Nazis did. The NOMnuts also try to draw this parallel and call US the Nazis and they base that solely on not liking us and wanting people to hate us as much as they hate Nazis because that gets them more money when that happens.
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 9:49 am
AND http://www.evergreeninternational.org/2009-Elder%…
Speech at the Utah version of "Nazi" (aka anti-gay) talk held at Mormon World Headquarters (September 18-19, 2009: Joseph Smith Memorial Building, 15 E. South Temple, Salt Lake City, Utah)
How is this any better than Nazi Death Camp?
BIG BREATHS ..going for walk now….somehow the comment "Richard, Richard….." struck a nerve…one more buried alive feeling…..shaking badly…..
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Mouse | October 25, 2010 at 9:50 am
Or the song from Parry Gripp:
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AndrewPDX | October 25, 2010 at 9:58 am
AAARGH!!!!
I hate how stupid the bigots are when they go down their slippery slope… <cite>“I love my camera, should I be able to marry it?”
</cite>
Civil Marriage is many things, including a legal contract. How the bleep can you expect a goat or a camera sign a frickin' contract?
NOM supporters = idiots
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
Andrew
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 10:00 am
AMICUS BRIEF in Perry
Amicus brief by California Teachers Association in support of Plaintiffs-Appellees. Filed 10/25/2010 http://www.scribd.com/doc/40115763
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 10:06 am
AMICUS BRIEF in Perry
Amicus brief by Anti-Defamation League in support of Plaintiffs-Appellees. http://www.scribd.com/doc/40116038
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Mouse | October 25, 2010 at 10:13 am
To be fair, he probably has a really nice, expensive camera.
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Ray in MA | October 25, 2010 at 10:16 am
Santorum being here caught my eye.
Do you guyz know how much of a scum bag he is?
Santorum (R-Pennsylvania) told a reporter that he hoped the United States Supreme Court would uphold anti-gay sodomy laws and compared consensual gay sex to incest, bigamy, adultery, and "man-on-dog" sex.
Dan Savage had him pegged way back in 2003:
SANTORUM (noun): an orgasm induced by anal penetration alone, e.g., "Ashton Kutcher grabbed Joseph Gordon-Levitt by the hips, thrust mightily, and Joseph santorumed on the spot."
from:
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid…
Now you know. This isn't your typical "Sludge Bus Tour".
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 10:17 am
AMICUS BRIEF in Perry
Amicus brief by NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc. in support of Plaintiffs-Appellees. Filed 10/25/2010. http://www.scribd.com/doc/40116508
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Mouse | October 25, 2010 at 10:17 am
You can tell a lot about a NOMnut's secret desires by the crazy places they take things with the slippery slope arguments.
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Mouse | October 25, 2010 at 10:23 am
You have to understand – these anti-equality people all slept around WAY more after they vowed to be with one person only and until death, so they assume that's what marriage is all about.
Also, if you disregard science, then everyone knows gay sex spontaneously generates AIDs. It's totally in the bible if you don't actually read it and just make things up to justify your treatment of fellow human beings as lesser.
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 10:27 am
AMICUS BRIEF in Perry
Amicus brief by Professors William N. Eskridge Jr., Rebecca L. Brown, Bruce A. Ackerman, Daniel A. Farber, Kenneth L. Karst, Andrew Koppelman in support of Plaintiffs-Appellees. Filed 10/25/2010. http://www.scribd.com/doc/40116925
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Ray in MA | October 25, 2010 at 10:28 am
We're here for you:
Massachusetts therefore respectfully requests that this Court affirm the District Court‟s holding that Proposition 8 violates the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
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Ray in MA | October 25, 2010 at 10:34 am
WTF?
The anti-retention bus tour rally at the Capitol this morning was slightly larger than the one held by pro-retention advocates.
The opponents had more than 60 supporters there, while supporters of the justices had about 50 there.
See slide show of photos of anti-retention rally: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iowapolitics/sets/72…
See photos of pro-retention rally: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iowapolitics/sets/72…
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nightshayde | October 25, 2010 at 10:37 am
And, quite possibly, a cheap piece-of-trash wife.
Of course, she might be a lovely woman… but would a lovely woman really put up with a man who thinks marrying a camera would be a good idea?
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Ed | October 25, 2010 at 11:49 am
so happy to see an Amicus Brief from the NAACP…. very supportive, strongly worded, and draws a direct comparison to the civil rights discrimination historically faced by African Americans. Bravo!
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Van in San Diego | October 25, 2010 at 11:58 am
What about the guy and his goats? LOL
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Tomato | October 25, 2010 at 12:33 pm
I like it!
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Tomato | October 25, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Why are these NOM/RightWing/CINO people so obsessed with sex? Do they have relationships with only thrustors and receptors of sex, no love? Do they have no love in their lives? Is it impossible for them to conceive of relationships based on love, because they don't experience it in their own relationships?
I swear, they think about sex more than any gay person I know.
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Rhie | October 25, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Uh, Gregory, asking nicely to please use the correct its isn't harsh at ALL. I find it kind if sad, actually, that a few people are getting upset about this. Asking for proper grammar and spelling on an adult board discussing adult issues isn't at all unreasonable. It's incredibly difficult to get through posts with poor grammar. I don't want to miss anything that anyone has to say, and I hope really good thoughts aren't getting lost.
If someone left because someone else asked them nicely to please use adult spelling and grammar, that's incredibly immature of the person who left.
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grod | October 25, 2010 at 1:48 pm
@Richard Walters
" Follow the fear-mongering theocrats like sheep" does not do justice to the dynamic of religion and politics in America.
Under the caption "Is politics to blame for religious rejection" in yesterdays local newspaper, Robert D. Putman noted that while some older Americans brought their religion and their politics into alignment by adjusting their political views, surprisingly more of them adjusted their religion to fit their politics. Amongst 20 to 30 years old Americans, near 27% adjusted away from any religious affiliation to fit with their less conservative political views. As young people more away from affiliation, their elders seek out religions with increasingly conservative politics.
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Rhie | October 25, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Because they – Conservative Christians – are taught not to think about it at all. They are also taught that it is wrong to think about sex, enjoy sex, want sex, believe sex is fun and about intimacy between two people, etc.
It's like a really perverse version of the Game. You know, if you think about the game you've lost. Of course you think about it when someone says it, so you always lose. In losing this game, the not wanting sex game, you lose your soul and are going to hell for all eternity.
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JonT | October 25, 2010 at 2:01 pm
@Varika: I have to agree with the others.
I agree that Godwin's Law is invoked far to often in social/political discussions these days, but what NOM and their allies (AWA, CWA, FOtF, etc do) is very much like the propaganda the Nazi's used in WW2.
The goal is to dehumanize their opponents, always through deception and outright lying. After all, it's a lot easier to dislike and oppress gay people if you believe they are all disease carriers and child molesters. Then they become a real threat, and it becomes vastly easier to foment hatred toward them.
This 'technique' has been used, well forever, against disfavored groups. The nazis turned it into an art form.
I remember watching a nazi propaganda film in a high school class (required a guardian's approval), that described jews as people who kidnapped babies and toddlers and 'sacrificed' them in blood-drinking ceremonies. Yes, really.
These kinds of films were shown to the German population in movie theaters!
While NOM, et' al. do not quite go that far, they use the same techniques – de-humanize first. So, I'm going to have to go with Richard on this particular invocation…
NOM and the others lack the power (yet) to start forcing us into re-education centers and (eventually) death camps, but I believe that's what some of them would really like to do if they could.
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Perhaps Rhie…… I for one post my thoughts after proof-reading a couple of times…..then SLAP to the FOREHEAD as I notice typed a "no" instead of "not" in comments 25….I REALLY wish I could edit my own posts….
I can appreciate that grammar and typos might frustrate you and others…but I equally know of one personal acquaintance that struggles with this ….and I value that voice too…someone who has suffered rejection and ridicule for many things including having poor grammar.
Is it really our place to decide how sensitive or mature/immature a person should be?
Having said that…I didn't find the comments of grammar overly harsh….but since this topic was discussed previously, and others have said it really upsets them to be corrected, I chose to mention, as Richard did above.
*big sigh* we are a sensitive group….but I have the hope this is one place we can come w/out being ridiculed…. Amen (wink!)
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Gregory in SLC | October 25, 2010 at 2:13 pm
uhhhhh….typo as "Mark" did above.. DOH! ; )
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Rhie | October 25, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Gregory –
I am not at all upset about this. I hope I didn't upset you. That wasn't my intention, but I know sometimes online words can read harsher than they would sound.
I think that it is really immature to get bent out of shape about small things. In my view, a mature individual knows not to take every little thing personally. You can disagree, and that's perfectly fine. I also think mature individuals can agree to disagree amicably
.
I do think I could have phrased what I said better.
I realized after I posted that I should have made exceptions for people who speak English as a second language and people with learning differences. I also don't mean the occasional typo. I also wish there was an edit button.
I still don't think anyone was being rude or out of line in mentioning the typo or in generally mentioning typos.
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Barry G. Wick | October 25, 2010 at 2:42 pm
First, mistake….going to Iowa from out of state to tell them what they should do….
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Rhie | October 25, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Heh just read an article that made that very same point.
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Thanks, Ray!!
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Yep, as Kate said here somewhere, we have the REAL civil rights orgs on our side – no Velveeta Kings here.
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JonT | October 25, 2010 at 4:56 pm
…no Velveeta Kings here.
I still laugh at that… Is it Ray we have to thank for that name?
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Kathleen | October 25, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Sorry I got behind today, Alan. Between the briefs in LCR and all the briefs coming in from Perry, and then annoying things like needing to eat occasionally, it was hard to keep up.
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Gregory in Salt Lake | October 26, 2010 at 12:31 am
not upset or frustrated! thanks for taking time to read comments…and respond…time to read the 20+ amicus briefs…good grief! ((HUGS))
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MJFargo | October 26, 2010 at 12:35 am
In my experience, Conservative religious folks (there are more faiths involved than just Christians) teach OTHERS that sexual impulses are wrong. What these expounders do in their own lives is something quite different than what they espouse.
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MJFargo | October 26, 2010 at 12:36 am
(eating is sooooo overrated) Thanks for all your work.
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fiona64 | October 26, 2010 at 2:26 am
I often say that if you scratch a homophobe, a misogynist will bleed. The people who are against GLBT equality are the same folks who are against women in the workplace, etc. They have very strict ideas about "proper gender roles,' and anyone who steps outside of their little box should be punished.
Love,
Fiona (who has experienced some of this as a childfree straight woman — "You'll regret not having kids when you get older and alone" is still a common refrain and I'm 46. I always challenge people who say that to go visit some old folks in nursing homes and find out when the last time was that "the kids" came by to see them.)
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fiona64 | October 26, 2010 at 2:27 am
Heh. There is a guy on Facebook called Karl N. (last name redacted) who announced that he was in love with his lamp and wanted to marry it, and who were we to deny him?
I told him to go ahead, but suggested he exercise caution during the consummation.
These people are being deliberately obtuse.
Love,
Fiona
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fiona64 | October 26, 2010 at 2:30 am
I hope this works; it's a small theatre cast doing "Iowa Stubborn," from their production of Meredith Wilson's "The Music Man."
[youtube
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Wine Country Lurker | October 26, 2010 at 2:57 am
Fiona said: I often say that if you scratch a homophobe, a misogynist will bleed.
That is the most elegant and concise way I've ever hear it put — I LOVE it!
As for childfree…. The one that pisses me off the most is: "You'll change your mind when you meeeeeet the riiiight maaaaaan!" Dog I just want to bitch-slap those people (sadly, usually women) !!
As far as I am concerned, I "chose" to be CF just as about as much as my GLBT friends "chose" to be gay. I'm not compromising who I am, at the core, to fit society's expectations of how a "real woman" is supposed to behave. And I stand by my "rainbow" brothers and sisters and their right to do the same — to live their lives happily, with integrity — and without interference from busy-body know-it-all's who feel the need to oppress anyone outside the norm in order to make their miserable tiny little lives feel significant. GAH!!!
Sorry. Apparently you hit a nerve this morning.
I must need more coffee….
WCLG, 37 with a 10-year-old bouncing baby tubal. NOT changing my mind dammit!
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Rebecca | October 26, 2010 at 4:40 am
Rhie, I agree with you that excessive punctuation and spelling errors can make a post difficult to read.
You said, "Asking for proper grammar and spelling on an adult board discussing adult issues isn’t at all unreasonable."
No, it's not unreasonable, but it's certainly not needed or useful for a discussion board of this type. More distracting than typos are the whole posts that correct the punctuation and spelling of a post that was just posted! If I misspell a word, I shouldn't feel the need to write an entire new reply saying, "Oops, I meant replay, not rplay!" Those are the things that really interrupt the flow of discussion.
I also think, since this is an online, informal comment board, it applies to the grammar and spelling rules of internet conversation: If you can understand it, that's enough!
And now I won't take up any more space that could be spent picking apart Brian Brown. (Look who has a new black suit!)
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Gregory in Salt Lake | October 26, 2010 at 4:49 am
DITTO! Love you Rebecca!
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Richard A. Walter (s | October 26, 2010 at 4:52 am
The new black suit must be for Brian's newly self-appointed role as Judge, Jury and Executioner!
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Rebecca in Chicago | October 26, 2010 at 5:13 am
Love right back to you, Gregory!
Side note: I'm stealing your idea and adding my location to my name also. Wish I could be at the scene of the action in CA!
@Richard: I just guffawed out loud at work. Your good sense of humor is making it difficult for me to hide my obsessive P8TT reading! ; )
88.
ElsieH | October 26, 2010 at 10:19 am
I'm 52 and still don't regret it either.
89.
Rhie | October 26, 2010 at 3:42 pm
It's both. I grew up in a church that taught that sex was wrong. I think a lot of the issues surrounding rent boys and affairs is because those people also believe that sex is wrong. So, they figure they have to do something wrong to enjoy sex.
I know that conservative Jewish and Muslim beliefs are similar to Christians. But, I haven't seen quite the same implementation and obsession. But, I don't have as much experience with those religions so I could be missing something.
90.
Rhie | October 26, 2010 at 3:47 pm
LOL good answer. And yes, they are.
91.
Rhie | October 26, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I don't buy the premise that asking once or twice for a correction of something is distracting. I also don't agree with the "it's just the INTERNET!" argument. I think it is always important to write as clearly as possible. It's/its and typos like rplay are different. One is grammatically incorrect. It changes the entire meaning of the sentence. teh or rplay are obviously the and replay.
But, as I said above I am willing to agree to disagree.
92. Homophobia much? Video, e&hellip | October 26, 2010 at 4:04 pm
[...] In Council Bluffs late Monday, equality supporters again outnumbered NOM supporters, this time 92 to 43 — almost a carbon copy of the turnout in Des Moines on Monday. [...]
93.
Gregory in Salt Lake | October 26, 2010 at 11:11 pm
so fun! I've been singing this song for years ever since participated in the Music Man in 8th grade….I played the trombone in the "band". ps. good job embedding video fiona : ) it worked!
94.
Gregory in Salt Lake | October 26, 2010 at 11:17 pm
watching various videos this morning as a I sip my TAZO Zen green tea…. NO NO NO NO NO! sounds like my kids sometimes…and superb NOM impression! : )
95.
Gregory in Salt Lake | October 26, 2010 at 11:18 pm
So Cute! : D
96.
Gregory in Salt Lake | October 26, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Darn you Mouse! ; ) got me watching more Parry Gripp videos!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2F4EFYM_MA&fe…
97.
fiona64 | October 27, 2010 at 1:50 am
My folks made me drop out of our high school production ("too many other responsibilities," which they decided I would take on whether I wanted to or not … long story) … but my particular earworm from that show is always Winthrop's verse of "Wells Fargo Wagon."
Love,
Fiona
98.
Gregory in Salt Lake | October 27, 2010 at 2:06 am
Yay! Ron Howard, front tooth missing, hoping the WFW brings something for him instantly comes to mind…so cute! thank you again for memories….
p.s. I had opposite parents from yours…gave me such free reign, sometimes I felt unloved or uncared for….
99.
Kathleen | October 27, 2010 at 3:45 am
My son dropped out of high school to be in a play.
100.
Gregory in Salt Lake | October 27, 2010 at 5:19 am
wow Kathleen! would love to hear more….
101.
John Doe | November 2, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I voted to kick off the Judges as a protest to the corruption
in the Johnson County Court, the number of shyster and
incompetent lawyers practicing here, the fact Johnson
County is run like some Police State … the whole judicial
system is a ruinous joke here. Any shyster lawyer go find a
Judge to believe any pack of lies here and get away with
it routinely, all before the citizen involved even knows its
happening! It is crazy here in Johnson County. It was time
for citizens to send a strong message, since we cant
rely on the Courts to difference between fairy tales
and truth! Obviously many Iowans agree.
102.
Ronnie | November 2, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Um… : / …..Ronnie
103.
Richard A. Walter (s | November 3, 2010 at 2:33 am
So, let's get this straight here. You are mad at the COUNTY" court system, so you decide to punish three fair-minded, freedom-based, impartial, STATE level Supreme Court Justices by voting against their retention? Isn't that really another form of cutting off your nose just to spite your face? You sound just as petulant and babyish as NOM and their ilk.
104.
Phil | November 3, 2010 at 2:54 am
I guess their tactics worked. Iowans dismiss three justices. See http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20101103…
105.
diversified insuranc | November 6, 2010 at 11:53 am
I want to know exactly what Zachariah will say about this?
leggett insurance
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