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‘It’s really tough being different,’ says supporter of NOM site aimed at treating gays differently
October 1, 2010
NOM tries to present this face of tolerance and “no hate”, and then their staunchest supporters keep writing hateful content on their Facebook wall. Oops -Adam
Cross-posted at Good As You
By Jeremy Hooper
Just more loving supporters of the the National Organization For Marriage’s official Facebook page:
[SOURCE]
Oh, NOMmers. Keep trafficking in the idea that the gay can be cured with a lozenge, and you might just have to find a pill to stop me from snorting!
Though considering the topic is a dead, persecuted human being and the reaction is reliably callous, NOM should probably be a little more concerned with how their staunchest allies treat this and other suicides, and not how he or she would theoretically treat gays.
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*REMEMBER: Just a few days ago, the official NOM F’book moderator replied “If the shoe fits” to a commenter who compared Obama to Hilter: NOM’s official Facebook page: ‘If [Hitler's] shoe fits‘ [G-A-Y]
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142 Comments Leave a Comment
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 1:14 am
scribin
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Kathleen | October 1, 2010 at 1:24 am
and me.
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 1:28 am
Gay couples seek to defend domestic partner law
More: http://www.wxow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13251722
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Mark M. (Seattle) | October 1, 2010 at 1:29 am
Morning….
scribbing too
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 1:30 am
Complaint: Church works to oust justices
More: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20101001…
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 1:32 am
Also in Iowa:
Chief Justice defends gay marriage ruling
More: http://www.radioiowa.com/2010/10/01/chief-justice…
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Anonygrl | October 1, 2010 at 1:33 am
And these are people who manage somehow to think highly of themselves, and sleep at night.
Sometimes there is no justice.
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Anonygrl | October 1, 2010 at 1:38 am
While I think it is completely the wrong way for churches to behave, I am not totally convinced that it is illegal.
Pastors can preach about anything they like. My father was a minister, and he felt that it was entirely inappropriate for ministers to tell congregations how to vote (although both members of his congregation and his denominiation used to try, every so often, to get him to do so)but he recognized that he was within the law if he did. The thing to watch is if they are spending money to campaign for the judges ouster, and if they follow the law when doing so.
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 1:39 am
Ga. GOP Senator Apologizes to Gay Blogger
More: http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&s…
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 1:40 am
Asst. Michigan attorney general Andrew Shirvell takes voluntary leave amid controversy involving gay U-M student
More: http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/10/asst_…
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Richard A. Walter (s | October 1, 2010 at 2:05 am
And yet these are the same fools who claim that they are the ones being persecuted. They will do anything to play on fear, and to generate more of that fear just to keep the money rolling in so that they can continue to befuddle their sheeple and continually ignore the truth. They can only feel superior when they are making anyone who does not agree with them feel inferior.
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Sagesse | October 1, 2010 at 2:13 am
NOM's 'official' communications pages seem to be morphing. But NOM's official position continues to be their website, no? What nasty followers post on their facebook page, or the newly acquired One-man-one-woman page is not 'NOM' doing anything. It's reprehensible, but it's not 'NOM'. Admittedly, they don't take the posts down, and don't tolerate dissenting views.
Expensive political ads are NOM. Homophobic speakers on their summer tour is NOM. Renting out their bus and their name in CA is NOM. Refusing to disclose donor sources in contravention of state law is NOM.
And subscribing.
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ChrisB | October 1, 2010 at 2:14 am
I wonder if he's still getting paid by the state?
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Kathleen | October 1, 2010 at 2:15 am
There's nothing illegal about it, but they risk their tax-exempt status as a 501(c)(3) organization if they lobby for a candidate, as opposed general issues. From the IRS site
"…the ban by Congress is on political campaign activity regarding a candidate; churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a limited amount of lobbying (including ballot measures) and advocate for or against issues that are in the political arena."
p.s. anonygrl, have you received my emails?
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AndrewPDX | October 1, 2010 at 2:17 am
Idiot… I assume he's still stuck back in the 60's, before they finally declared that homosexuality is not a mental illness.
Now, NOM (Neurotic Obsession for Megalomania) on the other hand….
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
Andrew
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 2:20 am
Actually, they take many posts down. They just removed two comments from the above post. I do have screenshots of the two posts.
One was from a user who states: I got news for you. Homosexuality isn't a medical condition nor a mental illness.
The second one they just removed had a link to the goodasyou.org post about this very subject.
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Kate | October 1, 2010 at 2:21 am
They took my posts down t'other day after just minutes. And now I'm blocked from posting.
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Ann S. | October 1, 2010 at 2:27 am
Moi aussi.
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Santa Barbara Mom | October 1, 2010 at 2:30 am
On this site you can send a letter to this jerk (the nicest word I can think of) ………..it includes an interview with
Anderson Cooper.
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/5208/p/dia/acti…
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Carpool Cookie | October 1, 2010 at 2:32 am
Yes….was he offered voluntary leave because it doesn't endanger his benefits?
Is it his employer's duty to directly offer, or even compell, him counseling…as most people (I'd think) would consider him deranged and potentially dangerous?
If he snapped and violence ensued, would his boss the Attorney General and even Michigan's governor be liable?
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 2:34 am
NOM is really standing up to the name National Organization for Murder….yeah they don't hate Gay people….& pigs fly….there is nothing but hate coming from that page…. >( …..Ronnie
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 2:35 am
moi aussi, aussi!
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John D | October 1, 2010 at 2:35 am
I suspect we have had these sad stories for a long time, but until now, they've been swept under the rug. First, we have the new phenomena of out high schoolers (I'm nearly 50, and many of my peers say they knew in high school, but no one was coming out in their teens in the 70s.)
Second, we have parents who can actually be told of homophobic bullying and respond to it as a parent should (I didn't tell my parents that I was called homophobic names). In this atmosphere of openness, families are owning up to it. I think only a few years ago reporters would have written, "the family said they knew of no reason for the teen to kill himself."
Now we just have to communicate to these kids that it gets better. There isn't a reason to kill yourself.
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Anonygrl | October 1, 2010 at 2:41 am
I bet that much like rape, when we finally get around to the point where we stop blaming the victims, more victims will come to light.
That seems to be where we are now. It is becoming more apparent that society is opening up to homosexal as a normal variation, and so the tragedies that were formerly covered up are being uncovered. This is a difficult but necessary step on the way to stopping it from happening.
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Bob | October 1, 2010 at 2:42 am
The religious right, making statements which blame the victim, are just clarification that they are PRO-BULLYING , simple
It's another one of their extreme views which need to be exposed in the run up to the election.
Again their response is to end or at least like DADT to hide gay's from the public,, bullying is effective at doing that in the schools
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Ann S. | October 1, 2010 at 2:42 am
Sacre bleu!
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JayeinMD | October 1, 2010 at 2:45 am
Here's the latest for their Facebook Wall:
Nick Jones It is unfortunate that so many people had to die due to ignorance but no one talks about how many people died this week due to living in the lifestyle of homosexuality.
One source I found actually said that 8000 people daily died from AIDS/HIV. This is unfortunate as well but lets put things in perspective.
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Diana Ross Webster but I dont think all HIV/AIDS deaths are always due to homosexuality?
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Nick Jones True! 53 percent of new US cases belong to homosexuals. They are only 3% of the population. Good to be weary about what I said but even in light of this , these facts should be looked at and really pondered.
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Chris Schultz Actually, Ellen Degenerate calls it a "crisis" because four reprobates killed themselves.
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Michael Aurand Chris Schultz, go to Hell. Seriously. I can handle homophobic pricks like you up to a point, but when kids are killing themselves because of the shame and humiliation inflicted on them for being gay, that IS a crisis, and intolerant jackasses like you are not helping it.
4 hours ago
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 2:47 am
Wow. One of these comments is exactly how NOM thinks (all cap sin the original, or course):
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Rebecca | October 1, 2010 at 2:47 am
I can never get over the "up until the late 70's or early 80's, homosexuality was treated as a mental illness" argument.
Not too long ago, many doctors though "bleeding" a person would help cure them from being sick.
Why do people feel this is a compelling argument? Why do they continue to align themselves with something that is so clearly in the past? It just makes them sound archaic and plain stupid.
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 2:50 am
Looks like they removed a comment from that thread too:
The comment removed:
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 2:51 am
Or this one on another link:
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 2:52 am
Rebecca, if these comments had a thumbs up button I would have given you 100! You are so correct.
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fiona64 | October 1, 2010 at 2:53 am
Tabernac! Zut alors! (Not subscribing, but thought I'd get in on the fun …)
Love,
Fiona
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 2:55 am
There's also this gem from someone who has no idea how ironic she is being:
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 2:57 am
And the logic is just outstandingly hilarious (referring to Walker's decision):
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fiona64 | October 1, 2010 at 2:57 am
"Tolerate my hate speech and bigotry"? Really?
It is not intolerance to call out hate speech and bigotry.
Period.
Love,
Fiona
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 2:58 am
Alan, you want to read some interesting comments, read their discussion board (many many many comments get deleted there. Mostly the comments that were removed were the fundies losing their cool!
http://www.facebook.com/oneman.onewoman#!/oneman….
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fiona64 | October 1, 2010 at 2:59 am
Wow. I guess these idiots really don't understand checks and balances, or judicial review.
I find myself explaining it at least twice a day on the Sacramento Bee forums.
Can someone younger than me (I graduated high school in 1981) verify whether civics is still taught? Because a lot of this is stuff I learned in junior high and high school, back when the Earth's crust was still warm.
Love,
Fiona
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 2:59 am
When I went to New York City with my gay uncles (yay for gay uncles!), they took my husband and me to an authentic French restaurant in the Village. The owner of the place was fantastic, and he would frequently refer to us–very flamboyantly in a French manner–as "LES ENFANTS!"
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Rebecca | October 1, 2010 at 3:00 am
Thanks, LLB!
My father tried this one on me when I came out to him. I asked him if he though the opinions of hundreds of medical professionals meant nothing. He didn't have much of a response for that one, though I do remember him mumbling something about "politics."
I often wonder if there is a single logical social conservative in the whole world. If somebody finds one, please let me know so i can find them and take a picture!
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James Sweet | October 1, 2010 at 3:00 am
This would be the "It's not gay as long as you swallow" theory?
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 3:01 am
It was in my school, but I went to a gifted high school with an advanced curriculum, so it wasn't the norm for the area.
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Rebecca | October 1, 2010 at 3:03 am
@Fiona
Civics was certainly taught when I was in school a few years ago. Then again, I had a teacher who understood the concept, which sadly isn't the case for everyone.
As for those who learned it but still don't get it: selective application of the law is NOM & Co's specialty.
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Ann S. | October 1, 2010 at 3:05 am
Fiona, it is, and it is even part of the California high school exit exam.
Not that you'd know it by discourse on public matters today on many fora, of course.
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Kate | October 1, 2010 at 3:08 am
OK, I'm ready for some of today's delightful tour "stop" reports from some of our posters here……..
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John | October 1, 2010 at 3:19 am
When we have deaths, what's important is that we recognize and remember the dead, and that we refuse anything other than true justice (in all senses).
I'm astonished by the true hate expressed by some. I wouldn't want anyone to go through the pain that leads to wanting to end your life – and I certainly wouldn't use such a death to talk about how right I was and how wrong they were.
It's amazing that "pro-life" religious groups don't want to see any laws that protect public school students from bullying, if such laws take away the right to bully kids on the basis of sexual or gender identity. How pro-life can you be when you oppose a law that would save life? Oh, I know that they wrap it up in all sorts of rhetorical garbage, but at the end of the day lives would be saved by the laws they oppose. Either life is valuable or it is not. It shouldn't matter if that life supports your religious/political viewpoint.
(disclaimer: I'm pro-life; but I mean that in all senses, not the bizarre, hateful, and narrow definition that most pro-lifers seem to follow)
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JayeinMD | October 1, 2010 at 3:23 am
And they just deleted the following (which appeared right under the "four reprobates who killed themselves" comment):
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Michael Aurand Chris Schultz, go to Hell. Seriously. I can handle homophobic pricks like you up to a point, but when kids are killing themselves because of the shame and humiliation inflicted on them for being gay, that IS a crisis, and intolerant jackasses like you are not helping it.
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So it appears our friend Louis, and of course NOM, are quite okay with bashing gays in public but certainly don't want any comments that disagree with them. Wow.
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 3:26 am
There is a new post on the NOM facebook page…wonder how long before it's taken down:
Post: Does anybody out there have the guts to quote the bible verses that indicate what you YOURSELF do or have done that are sins and would deserve the punishment of death?
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fiona64 | October 1, 2010 at 3:32 am
Whee! It's time to share my favorite Dr. Laura letter:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? – Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 3:35 am
Nick Jones is obsessed with Gay sex (only between men)…he posts that same shite all over Facebook…..
Serena Nino is the equivalent of a Jewish Nazi….she identifies as "ex-gay"…is married to an "ex-gay" man….She is former meth addict (so you know her brain is fried)…..
Chris Schulz has actually condoned violence towards LGBT people…….
They are all members of the page they created (that has been removed from Facebook once before) called "Freedom Fighters for Morality" to copy & mock the page "Freedom Fighters for Equality"…..
There is nothing "Moral" about them…& imposing someones "morality" views on other people is not fighting for freedom…its fighting for fascism & dictatorship…..
They are attacking LGBT kids & victims of suicide all over Facebook & praising those who are bullies….. > ( …Ronnie
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Gregory in Salt Lake | October 1, 2010 at 4:06 am
How wondering that the story of Shirvell been told and consequences follow. There are so many unknown/untold stories of discrimination that aren't told until a teenager kills him/her self. Thank you EVERYONE for ending the nationally sanctioned discrimination against LGBTQ persons. GRRRRRRRRRR
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Gregory in Salt Lake | October 1, 2010 at 4:11 am
I can understand their position because I used to hold similar ones
Thank the universe that somehow I have learned better ways! Now that I know better, it sure seems ridiculous for nombies to claim how badly they are persecuted. I have the hope that as the general population accepts gay marriage they will challenge some of their other common-agreement ideas that are not based on any facts. Love you Richard 
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Gregory in Salt Lake | October 1, 2010 at 4:13 am
thank you THANK YOU! for monitoring and keeping track of what they remove!
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 4:15 am
Cross posting from my post on Freedom Fighters for Equality……
"You are gay, get out of Barlow [Hall] before you regret it."….
but "heaven" forbid similar (but switched) is written on the door an anti-gay "person"…(notice I do not say Christian because there are Christians who are Gay &/or support Equality & that's their constitutional right to do so)…"wahh..the gays are persecuting us..wahh"..
Get over yourselves!….. >( …Ronnie
STUDENT CHARGED AFTER LEAVING HOMOPHOBIC MESSAGES ON DORM DOOR http://www.towleroad.com/2010/10/student-charged-…
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Gregory in Salt Lake | October 1, 2010 at 4:16 am
errr…how WONDERFUL!!!
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Bill | October 1, 2010 at 4:16 am
Ask ANY Christian, and they will quite quickly inform you that 'God' has 'released' them from all of these restrictions.
Except the gay one.
Making their ability to live openly hypocritical lives quite comfy and convenient for them.
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Mark M. (Seattle) | October 1, 2010 at 4:19 am
God 'releases' them ONLY if they repent their sins. But no one has been able to show me that being Gay is actually a sin…so I have nothing to repent against where that is concerned.
Now my obssesion with chocoate peanut butter icecream by Band J is another story
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 4:26 am
You are so right bill, this post just a few minutes ago on the NOM facebook page:
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John | October 1, 2010 at 4:26 am
Bill,
As a Christian, I don't think the rules against gays are even in the old testiment. That's a minority view, but I think supported by the evidence that women were seen as, primarily, property – and men were somehow above being property – with marriage and/or sex as the legal contract dictating ownership. So it made no sense to them to have a ownership contract (sex/marriage) between two men, as one man couldn't own the other in the way they could own a woman. It's more about gender than sexual orientation in their eyes – a man who gave up his "manhood" to have sex with another man was going against the natural order.
Obviously not something we believe in today, I hope.
I personally enjoyed the letter to Dr. Laura, although I doubt it will sway anyone, because it focused on the old testament. I would suggest people trying to talk to Christians focus on the new testament, or, when quoting the old, at least also quote something in the new which explains why the old testament still applies. Basically, the Christian idea was "The Old Testament way into heaven was the only way, until the New Testament way came about. The New Testament way is the better way, as you can't actually meet all the requirements of the Old Testament way." In fact, Christians believe that there were too many rules in the old testament.
That said, anyone who quotes old testament prohibitions against certain kinds of sex probably should be asked to explain why that old testament rule is important, but others governing marriage and family and sex are not (such as why a rapist no longer is *required* to marry his victim or you cannot remarry someone you divorced, who later marries and divorces someone else).
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Phillip R | October 1, 2010 at 4:29 am
Good. He shouldn't be on leave or worse.
I made a comment on some forums about this whole situation. It seems ridiculous that their excuse for allowing something like this is that he has a first amendment right. Well, I dunno about the rest of you, but I can easily be fired for my actions/comments, etc outside of work and off hours. First amendment protects my right to say things like that but it certainly doesn't protect my job. He still represents the government outside of his job regardless. I'm not sure if government representatives have different laws when it comes to the first amendment though.
And I dunno about the rest of you but before I even heard him, I thought he was protesting a bit too much. Then after I heard his interview, my gaydar was going off like a slot machine in Vegas.
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Phillip R | October 1, 2010 at 4:29 am
I meant that he SHOULD be on leave. Sorry!
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 4:32 am
I guess NOM is a bit afraid to tweet about their first stop:
#tusvalores Tweet:
” target=”_blank”>http://tusvalores.com/en/bus-tour/bus-route–dates.html
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 4:33 am
@LLB…that is so typical of them (anti-gay people & the specifically the people who post on that page)….they reply to those question with some illogical & irrational religious bullshite….completely miss the entire point of the question…& respond with "what is the point of this question?"…..
Then the original question gets deleted…the person blocked from posting on the wall …BUT…not banned from the page…so to inflate their fraudulent numbers….It's really sad & pathetic….. : / …Ronnie
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 4:34 am
The OUT October Project
More: http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/the-out-octo…
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 4:36 am
Oh heavens…the newest comment to this posts thread on the NOM facebook page:
That woman is foul
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BK | October 1, 2010 at 4:37 am
Soon we're gonna run outta brick walls to smash our heads against… seriously, how much longer can they keep this idiocy up?
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Catherine | October 1, 2010 at 4:41 am
That's one of my favorites too. It always makes me laugh. I love, "am I morally obligated to kill him myself?" *chuckle*
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BK | October 1, 2010 at 4:43 am
"… make San Fransisco an island, make it its own state …. go back in the closet …"
I swear, those people have fudge for brains.
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BK | October 1, 2010 at 4:53 am
@LLB's last comment, "That woman is foul":
1) Same old 'blame the victim' rambling.
2) This is why those kids would kill themselves
3) What gay person would ever truly want to be part of a religion like hers?
:
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Kate | October 1, 2010 at 4:55 am
Why would anyone????
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Judy | October 1, 2010 at 5:00 am
Yeah, lady, just keep up those prayers. How's it working out for you so far? Prayer, opium, whatever. Don't tell me about it, show me the results and I'll judge from there.
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 5:01 am
Latest two NOM Facebook comment entries (they really aren't that bright are they?)…:
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Lodi Gal | October 1, 2010 at 5:01 am
I need someone to toss me a clue. I'd like to post to the nommers facebook page, but am new to that whole arena. I've got an account and have posted to other "walls", but don't see where I can access posting to the nommer wall. Thanks in advance.
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 5:02 am
Have you selected that you like the page yet? I think you have to like them before posting.
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Anonygrl | October 1, 2010 at 5:04 am
I would respond to her:
"If that is true, that these children are killing themselves because of some belief, deep in their hearts, that they are "doing wrong", it is up to YOU and others of your ilk to work like CRAZY to convince them that they are NOT. Since it was YOUR attitudes that lead them to believe these things, it is YOUR job to correct it. You have no right to call yourself a human being if you do not. The blood of every single one of these innocent children is on your hands.
Tuck THAT into your cozy little world view."
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Lodi Gal | October 1, 2010 at 5:05 am
Got it. Thanks. Makes my skin crawl just to hit that "like" button, but I'll hold my nose.
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Kate | October 1, 2010 at 5:05 am
Lodi Gal, go for it, but be prepared — you will be removed within minutes and then blocked from ever posting again.
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Kate | October 1, 2010 at 5:07 am
Once they block you so you can't post, remember to "unlike" the page immediately so they can't count you as a supporter.
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Anonygrl | October 1, 2010 at 5:08 am
Really? Point me to anything on the facebook page that is actually about marriage and not about restricting, punishing, damning, killing or hating gays. Show me where someone is suggesting something positive that will help marriage? Where are there any suggestions about pre-marital counselling? Got anything here about going on a retreat with your church group to focus on strengthening your own marriages? Who here is discussing the value of family therapy? No?
Hm.
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Judy | October 1, 2010 at 5:09 am
This good news just in from EQCA email:
Equality California’s 72nd and arguably most important sponsored piece of legislation passed by the Legislature was signed into law yesterday by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
SB 543 — Mental Health Services for At-Risk Youth — is an historic bill that allows youth 12 to 17 years old to receive mental health care without requiring their parents’ consent. LGBT youth across California who are fearful that their families could become abusive or kick them out if they come out — or refuse to consent to their obtaining mental health services — will now be able get the help they need, before it’s too late.
Equality California and Senator Mark Leno made this bill a priority to address the hostile environment too many of California's young people find themselves dealing with everyday, the kind of environment that has led to bullying, hate crimes and several recent tragic and heartbreaking suicides. This bill is one critical step to provide support for LGBT and questioning youth.
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Anonygrl | October 1, 2010 at 5:12 am
Brilliant! Thanks for posting this Judy, it certainly brightens up the day!
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Steve | October 1, 2010 at 5:15 am
There was a recent open thread on JMG that suggests the opposite. Lots of life stories there and lots of them from the 70s and 80s. Some people were semi-out and a lot of them got bullied regardless. People just knew they were gay, even if they themselves didn't necessarily realize it.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/09/open-thread-…
But overall, you're right. Teens being completely aware and open about it on such a large scale is pretty new.
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 5:17 am
hahahahahah…& yet they talk about everything & anything that has to nothing to do with marriage & has everything to do with being gay….stopping DADT repeal…they don't want ENDA…they don't want SNDA…..oh & as for that "forcing" bullshite….its ok that we allow them to force their Fascist religious beliefs on us, our children, our heterosexual allies, violate our religious beliefs, violate our 1st & 14th amendment rights…..we should allow them to continue ASSuming that they have control of every aspect of our personal lives?….bwaaaaaaa…..Those anti-gay pigs are nothing but selfish control freaks who need to back the f@#k off…… > ( ….Ronnie
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Lodi Gal | October 1, 2010 at 5:20 am
Ok, I posted over there under a fake ID..
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 5:20 am
Ronnie, you missed recent tweets by NOM and One Man, One Woman, who, surprisingly are AGAISTT DADT…
I was shocked…but VERY sure it's all politically motivated:
http://twitter.com/oneman_onewoman
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Alan E. | October 1, 2010 at 5:32 am
Link here:
http://www.eqca.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx…
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 5:37 am
@LLB…oh I heard about that…I'm on the fence to believe it since their page(s) show otherwise….They went nuts when that last vote came in…they posted the hateful diatribe from that Tony Punkins guy…they are so pathetic…. : / …Ronnie.
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fiona64 | October 1, 2010 at 5:44 am
Actually, it's even a little more complicated than *that.*
Sex was not something between equals. Sex was something that had a "do-er" (for lack of a better term), always male. The "do-ee" was always a subordinate: wife/wives, or slaves of *either* gender. Women and slaves were considered "beneath" the man, and he could do as he wished with them.
The relationship between the Roman centurion and his "dearly beloved slave," in the New Testament, is one that would have been understood during that time and culture as one that was sexual in nature.
Love,
Fiona
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fiona64 | October 1, 2010 at 5:48 am
Unfortunately, Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill that said no church would be forced to marry same-sex couples (although we already know that to be so) … which was raised specifically to silence that bogus objection from equality adversaries.
Love,
Fiona
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Phillip R | October 1, 2010 at 5:51 am
I graduated in 98 in SC and Civics/government was only briefly touched upon in Social studies. We didn't have a class devoted to it or anything.
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Trish | October 1, 2010 at 6:25 am
A fifth youth took his own life on Wednesday. This has got to stop. The Trevor Project is calling for a moment of silence tonight. http://www.thetrevorproject.org/news/tonight-nati…
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Jonathan H | October 1, 2010 at 6:26 am
et moi, ami!
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Ann S. | October 1, 2010 at 6:32 am
Bien sur! A votre sante!
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Dave P. | October 1, 2010 at 7:05 am
I think it's a safe bet they were planning to do a hell of a lot more than just a bit of preaching to the congregation. Just think of all the organized actions and monetary collections and political donations and TV ads full of lies that the Catholic Church and the LDS church engaged in during the campaign for Prop 8.
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Manilow | October 1, 2010 at 7:10 am
Hey P8TT Community – today is the anniversary of me coming out of the closet (nine years ago!!!) and each year I celebrate it with more enthusiasm than my birthday! Tonight, I will be going to a bar in Hollywood – and while I'm there, I'm going to record a message for the "It Gets Better" project with a bunch of friends. So – if you're in the area tonight and feel like saying hi and telling the world that It Gets Better, let me know!
for more details email me at manilow472@yahoo.com
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Steve | October 1, 2010 at 7:12 am
Yeah, the Romans and Greeks didn't have taboos against gay sex per se. But there was certainly a taboo about status. It wasn't well regarded to take the "female"/receiving role in sex. Some even considered receiving oral sex like that.
And a sexual relationship between equals wasn't necessarily good either, despite Greek philosophers writing extensively about emotional love between men.
That distinction between active and passive participants still exists in Saudi Arabia, of all places. Because of the strict gender segregation, there is a lot of same-sex activity. Both among men and women, though men are obviously more open about it. But bottoms are hard to find. Most of them are either foreigners or truly gay.
As for the Biblical stuff. Most of those pages aren't actually about gay sex and certainly not about committed relationships. At least not the passages in the NT. They refer to things like temple prostitution in pagan societies.
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 7:13 am
Slip-scribing awaaaayy….
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Mackenzie | October 1, 2010 at 7:16 am
this has probably already been posted, but just in case:
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/5208/p/dia/acti…
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Kathleen | October 1, 2010 at 7:18 am
Happy anniversary. Have a great time!
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Mackenzie | October 1, 2010 at 7:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwObjKZg9Jw&fe…
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Dave P. | October 1, 2010 at 7:24 am
Excellent! I wonder how long it will be before the intrepid sleuths at JoeMyGod find out who the guy is and plaster his name all over the internet : )
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 7:24 am
Happy Birthday….(side note: to me the day you come out is also your birthday)…mine is February 15th….<3…Ronnie
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Dave P. | October 1, 2010 at 7:39 am
Yes, I read that earlier today too and I don't understand what reason he could have possibly had for vetoing this. Any ideas??
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Ann S. | October 1, 2010 at 7:44 am
You'd have thought that one was a no-brainer. The only news I have found on it so far is an article about a month old describing how Roy Ashburn (yes, that Roy Ashburn) asked the Gov. to veto it.
http://www.queerty.com/ca-sen-roy-ashburn-demands…
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Manilow | October 1, 2010 at 8:14 am
Thanks Kathleen!
Ronnie – my friends call it my "birthgay" party!
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 8:23 am
Oh mercy this is funny…posted on the (I can't stop laughing)
um…posted on the NOM facebook page is this comment (john is the one who made this comment, so I am keeping his name in):
um…right john, keep believing that! These people will believe anything they are told…I am surprised there isn't another Jonestown happening with NOM.
http://www.facebook.com/oneman.onewoman#!/oneman….
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 8:24 am
Oh, and I wonder if Louis is telling them he is an EX-Gay…
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 8:28 am
Oh that guy has actually promoted violence & criminalization towards LGBT people….on several anti-gay pages…..he's a real ROTTEN peach…. : / ….Ronnie
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Mark M. (Seattle) | October 1, 2010 at 9:27 am
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!!
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Santa Barbara Mom | October 1, 2010 at 10:01 am
Maybe he didn't want to sign anything that has anything to do with marriage equality, or could be in any way tied to the prop8 trial………………knowing how the media could take off on that one, etc………
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Michael | October 1, 2010 at 10:35 am
The shrill anti-gay, pro-bullying pressure groups NOM, TVC, FOF, FRC, etc.; militant anti-gay "churches;" and false prophets such as Eddie Long, Rick Warren, Gary Bauer, etc. all have blood on their hands for the deaths of our young people. When the false "religious belief" of homophobia results in the deaths of other Americans, it's time to speak up and demand that these groups and individuals renounce homophobia and repent. Their actions and words are causing deaths here and abroad; "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit."
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 10:38 am
"Fringe" Group NOM just posted a new post on Facebook:
http://www.exposingNOMexposed.com is their new site…this should be fun!
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Phil L | October 1, 2010 at 10:48 am
Could the group be reported to the Facebook administrators as a hate speech page?
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Michelle Evans | October 1, 2010 at 11:15 am
Yes, and he also once again rejected the safe prisons bill (AB 633), which would protect LGBT people in prison, and keep them from having to be put into solitary confinement (for their own good).
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 11:29 am
really?….really?….I mean really?….how childish…..really?….REALLY?….. : / …Ronnie
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Les Late | October 1, 2010 at 11:32 am
I too posted on the site and had my posts removed. Clearly they do not want to hear anything they don't like. Babies.
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Ronnie | October 1, 2010 at 11:43 am
"birthgay" party…I LOVE IT…. ; ) ….Ronnie
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Rebecca: 'Why do people feel this is a compelling argument?'
Because it's the only one they have…
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 12:55 pm
@John D: '“…the family said they knew of no reason for the teen to kill himself.”'
This. A thousand times over.
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 1:12 pm
'…think that maybe when people kill themselves it is because deep in their hearts they know that they are doing wrong and that their master is the one who lies, steals, kills, and destroys?'
That's just fucking disgusting LLB. It still surprises me that in 2010 there are people who still think like that.
We have alot of work to do.
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 1:20 pm
'…my friends call it my “birthgay” party!'
Nice!!!
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Heh, yeah they really respect 1st amendment rights don't they
I know squat about FB, but I wonder if it's possible to 'mirror' their site, with the exception that posts they remove are kept. So basically you'd have the 'official' NOM FB site, and an uncensored mirror NOM FB site preserving their hater shit for all the world to see.
Possible? Probably not, but would be an interesting exercise.
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Lesbians Love Boies | October 1, 2010 at 1:30 pm
If you have an Apple Mac, you could set up a script that refreshes the browser every 5 or 10 minutes, takes screenshots of the page (only the most recent activity at the top of a page) and auto post it to website that is attached to a facebook page. So, it's a little possible.
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Lora | October 1, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Woo Hoo, Fiona…Class of 1981! My civics teacher's name was Bill Murray, unfortunately not the one from SNL!
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 2:26 pm
+1 Michael.
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Really?!? $400K? Haha – so thisis what they are really all about. Fucking money. Great.
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Sheryl, Mormon Mothe | October 1, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Well, should SF become and island for all of the gays in the US, will you allow your allies to at least visit?
Oh, and when they talk about gays, do they really mean the LGBT community or just the male homosexuals?
Yep, push you right back in that closet and toss aw ay the key.
Of course, they conveniently forget that homosexuals don't materialize out of thin air. Except for the fact that I would so feel for the child, I'd wish that each of these homophobes has at least one child that says, "mom, dad, just wanted to let you know that I'm a homosexual."
Sheryl, Mormon Mother
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JonT | October 1, 2010 at 7:51 pm
LLB, I use linux, which is even better (wink wink – insert OS flame war _here_
But it would be trivial to detect these accesses and ban the IP doing the scanning — I have a static IP assignment for my network, so I'd be screwed pretty quickly.
I guess the only real way would be for somebody to run a site that would archive screen caps submitted from many random Trackies. But screen caps aren't searchable via internet search engines… so it's a tricky problem…
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Lora | October 1, 2010 at 9:32 pm
OMG!! This guy, Shirvall, is off the gaydar chart!
Can’t he be prosecuted for stalking?? Creeeeepy!!
This guy’s a seriously obsessed loon!
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Sagesse | October 1, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Bravo California. The state really does understand LGBT rights… even up to and including marriage equality, one day.
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Sagesse | October 1, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Anyone know why? It seems Schwartzenegger vetos a lot of legislation, or do all governors do it, and it isn't publicized?
Modifying my earlier comment, the legislature understands LGBT rights. Often it works out, evidently not always.
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Vaati | October 2, 2010 at 3:28 am
What's really astounding is they are asking this horrendous amount of money from people who financially are worse off than ever. And they'll get it, they'll get a lot of it.
It's a vicious cycle and all it means is that poor, albeit ignorant families have a little less for themselves and the big scary guys at NOM are probably going to end up using some of this money to order men from rentboy.com or something similarly hypocritical. People who fund NOM are probably better off just flushing their money straight down the toilet.
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Carpool Cookie | October 2, 2010 at 3:54 am
How great that you've opened up your life, and get to see and experience more, now! I'm sure it's much more interesting this way : )
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Carpool Cookie | October 2, 2010 at 4:00 am
That is a REALLY interesting observation, Re: The National Organization for Murder.
I wonder if a single one of them has paused and wondered about the connection between the message they're sending out, and the teen suicides, etc.
2010 will certainly go down in history as a dramatic year!
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Carpool Cookie | October 2, 2010 at 4:11 am
Civics are taught, but there's no requirement that you actually get an 80% score or anything. They should keep making kids take the class until they pass it with a decent mark.
If they're not highly motivated, I seem to remember students targeting one class a semester they just accept they're not going to do too great in. Civics is a demanding subject, and I can imagine as it's a requirement, a lot of middle-of-the-road "academics" just think, "If I come out of this with a C- I'll be okay."
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Rhie | October 3, 2010 at 11:51 am
I wonder if that was part of the offer: You get to keep your benefits for the time, IF you use them to see a counselor.
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Rhie | October 3, 2010 at 11:55 am
It is different for a government employee. Being fired from his job at the government for something he says constitutes government reprisal, which is what the First Amendment protects against.
Personally, I think it is very stupid that a person can be fired from a private job for something they say or do outside work while they aren't representing the company. Especially if that action is otherwise legal.
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Rhie | October 3, 2010 at 11:56 am
Former hater myself, here. Welcome to the Thinking Side, as my Grandmother says
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Rhie | October 3, 2010 at 12:11 pm
That right there should cause the family great guilt. Their own child didn't trust them. Why? What did they do to cause that?
I wonder if the old trope "all teens keep secrets from their parents" came from parents who didn't want to have to think too hard about this.
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Kathleen | October 3, 2010 at 12:12 pm
In general, I agree that people's speech outside of work should be protected. In this case, we're talking about an assistant district attorney – someone who represents the government in prosecuting cases. Mr. Shirvell's behavior outside of work time brings into question whether he's capable of the level of professionalism and personal judgment expected in a position like this. It's may even be that his actions constitute illegal behavior. Seems to me it's best for him, his employer and the credibility of the department that he goes on leave while his actions are investigated.
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Rhie | October 3, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Nope. It's also not a violation of that person's First Amendment. The number of times I have to correct THAT misconception…
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Rhie | October 3, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Oh, is that where the famous speech in the first episode of the West Wing is from? That's a great clip, too.
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