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Day Two on the NOM California tour, Part 2: Fifth-graders, pork rinds and wild traffic chases

NOM Exposed NOM Tour Tracker-California

Part 1 detailing today’s earlier tour “stops”, if they can be called that, can be found here.

By Arisha Michelle Hatch

Stop #9: Colusa

The Colusa stop brought us to a Burger King parking lot where Vota Tus Valores was lucky enough to happen upon a group of six Latino fifth graders heading home after school.

NOMTourTracker talking to fifth-graders in Colusa

One boy didn’t know what a Senator was. Alfonso was shocked.

“Haven’t you taken civics or government?” Alfonso chided.

While Alfonso offered the kids a tour of the bus we finally had the opportunity to grab Karyme Lozano for a short chat (she’s been heavily guarded by Alfonso the last two days).

Arisha interviewing Karyme Lozano

We’ll post that video about her conversion soon.

Sidenote: can you imagine what the uproar would have been if a bus tour promoting LGBT values had invited a group of young unattended minors to tour their bus? But I digress.

Stop #10: Willows

In Willows, the Vota Tus Valores bus stopped just long enough to grab a beer and a bag of pork rinds (I’m not making this stuff up). We didn’t get a chance to try the pork rinds but they were apparently so good that Alfonso couldn’t bring himself to stop eating them during our interview. We will post that video as soon as well, although it may be difficult to hear my questions over his loud smacking.

To add to the ridiculousness of this sham tour, the Vota Tus Valores caravan of cars attempted to lose us. As we reported earlier, due to the unreliability of their website, we have now been forced to literally follow behind the bus to ensure that we meet them at the correct location.

After making a pit stop at a local gas station in Willows we proceeded to follow one of their advance vehicles while the bus followed behind us. The advance vehicle proceeded to take us on an abandoned country road. Meanwhile, the bus attempted to sneak onto the freeway.

I was forced to break my “no illegal u-turn” rule so that we could make it back onto the freeway before the bus disappeared into the distance.

“This is so much more fun than the Summer for Marriage tour!” Anthony shouted from the backseat.

Luckily, we are still right behind the bus, despite their sneaky attempts. The advance car made a u-turn quickly after us and is now back on the freeway leading the caravan.

Nice try.

We’re onto you, Vota Tus Valores, and we have no plans to stop following you anytime soon.

Stop #11: Davis

After a freeway game of cat and mouse that included attempts to lead the NOM Tour Trackers down an abandoned country road, as well as a quick freeway exit without signaling, the Vota Bus finally made it to UC-Davis, the site of Tuesday’s California gubernatorial debate.

Oddly enough, rather than driving onto campus where the activist base was, the Vota Bus opted to park in the middle of an intersection for 20 minutes until Davis police asked them to move – apparently parking a bus in a right hand turn lane just off the freeway with your hazard lights on creates safety concerns. They finally ended up in the parking lot.

Vota Tus Valores bus at UC-Davis

A few members of the advance team handed out literature to debate protesters.

Vota Tus Valores staff talking to UC-Davis gubernatorial debate attendees

After all this, can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings.

96 Comments Leave a Comment

  • 1. Alan E.  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Subscribing. Making dinner!

  • 2. Ann S.  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Just amazing. Good job, Tour Trackers!

  • 3. Dick Mills  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    "Sidenote: can you imagine what the uproar would have been if a bus tour promoting LGBT values had invited a group of young unattended minors to tour their bus? But I digress."

    I'm trying to wrap my head around the audacity of members of a "Catholic" front-group inviting a group of unattended minors to tour their bus!!

  • 4. Ronnie  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    hahahahha…the building in the back ground of that photo say's "$SAY-MORE$"……….ca-ching in pesos….FAIL MUCHO!!!!!!…… X) …Ronnie

  • 5. Sagesse  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Surely there's a point to this tour… maybe…. maybe not?

  • 6. bonobo  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    What!!!!! They were in Willows? What time, and did they make it to the park? Until when?

  • 7. anonygrl  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    I just spit bits of apple and cheese from my dinner all over the keyboard… I am laughing so loud my next door neighbor can hear me.

  • 8. Jonathan H  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Kids, don't get on buses with strange people!
    (and let's face it, these people are pretty strange)

  • 9. Kate  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    It sounds as though they just stopped for pork rinds. Icky.

  • 10. Straight Ally #3008  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Dedicated to the Vota Tus Valores NOM tour…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCittJyr0

  • 11. anonygrl  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    If all they did was stop at a store for pork rinds and beer, then hit the gas station and get out of town, it is probably just as well that you didn't meet them. Hang onto those empty park pics, though… in case they start trying to claim that they WERE hitting all their stops.

  • 12. Straight Ally #3008  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    ¡Ay, que lástima!

  • 13. DebbieC  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Wonder if they'll learn the equality forces kidnapped NOM's people off the bus. Now teh gays are driving around trying to make all the Nombies look foolish. They aren't, honest. It's those evil gays!

    Love
    Debbie :)

  • 14. Kate  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Ok, Anonygrl. You can't fool me. I know for sure that this is your screenplay. The pork rinds did it.

  • 15. bonobo  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Just for the heck of it, I googled SavMor Willows. here's the link. http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com.microsoft:en-

    Who the hell is paying for their gas? I wanna see the expense account they're turning in. This is theft, out and out. Are they just going from one food stop to the next?

    Who here is watching what the other hand is doing? Obviously these guys are just rabbits for us to chase after. What are the other guys up too?

  • 16. Felyx  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    "… the ridiculousness of this sham tour…"

    That is it! I am calling it now… we are being used in a disgusting scam! This tour is a front for non-profit scamming!

    NOM knows what it is doing is improper and it doesn't care. That is why Maggie is disassociating herself, that is why they are going to court over financial impropriety, that is why they are allowing Louis (Louis you are such a pawn!) to run the outrageous website, that is why there is this inane bus tour.

    Using gays and poor people for a fat pay check!!! Maggie probably started this thing being serious but let it get out of control when all the money started pouring in. Being the smartest one of the bunch (and that ain't sayin' much) she is distancing herself and siphoning off funds from another scam NPO.

    GOD this is disgusting!!! I bet some of the ones in the 'inner circle of those that knows whats goin' on' are laughing at our trackers as dopes on a wild goose chase.

    Arisha… maybe the next time you get a word with Karyme you can ask her if she knows she is being had. Pull some info off of NOMexposed.com to bolster your claim. Maybe she will pull out and rejoin the human race.

    Wow… I am really incensed that this! What an absolute fraud!!! Before I thought Maggie was just obstinate in her moral views… but now I am seeing greed and fraud in her on a far more wretched level… seems she has no integrity even in her religious assertions.

    Seriously Odious… ODIOUS!!!

  • 17. Elizabeth Oakes  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    "Capital P, capital U, capital TRID."

  • 18. Kate  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I just figured it out. They have to actually go to the towns on the tour so they can get fuel receipts to prove they were there!!! Too bad they don't have to show that they went to the advertised locations themselves.

  • 19. bonobo  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Felyx, we need Arisha and the TT's out there more than ever. Only they can document what exactly that bus is doing. And NOM is playing into our hands by forcing us to follow them rather than meeting them at the points. If I could put a cam in front of their car, I would. Nothing will be more excellent to bring up to trial, or to prove to supporters what NOM is doing.
    Keep it up NOM. We'll see where ALL the bodies are buried, and document it too boot.

    Bo

  • 20. Gregory in SLC  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    !!

  • 21. JonT  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Subscribing, and laughing :)

  • 22. JonT  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Yes Jonathon… Especially gay-hating religious people on a bus.
    :)

  • 23. Kathleen  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Anonygrl, I know you've told us you didn't write this script, but I'm having trouble believing you (and having trouble stopping laughing). This is BRILLIANT!!!

    NOM must be soooo proud of their association with this fiasco.

  • 24. StraightForEquality  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Subscribing, late as usual.

  • 25. Kathleen  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Good advice!

  • 26. Kathleen  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Talking heads! Arisha and team should definitely get this on their travel play list.

  • 27. Kate  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Do we know for sure that the kids were actually let back off the bus?

  • 28. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    scribing

  • 29. Felyx  |  September 28, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Screw a trail… I wish I knew the email addresses of all the KoC. A mass email sent to all of them would certainly hit enough donors to start a serious internal questioning.

    Wild goose chase though it may be, I agree that you are right that we need the trackers out there to EXPOSE NOM and what they are doing… if the donors saw this they would seriously question donating any more money.

    I am willing to bet that NOM is fighting all these court cases not to hide their donors so much from us as to hind their donors from themselves!

    If the donors, and the donors TO the donors, knew what was going on they would serious pull the umbilical cord! Revealing those lists would allow watch groups like NOMexposed.com to contact these people and present their evidence. A video of the Marriage Tour and the Vota Tus Valores with actual PICTURES and VIDEOS would be hard to deny!!

    Felyx

    (BTW, the NOM idiots never actually bothered to talk to a real Spanish speaker. Even a 10 yo hispanohablante knows the difference between 'tu' and 'uds.' Vota Tus Valores is seriously bad grammar as 'tus' is the singular familiar form used for close associations like family and friends and 'sus' is the plural form for more than one person. … oh wait, never mind… I get it now.)

  • 30. Ann S.  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    But Felyx, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it insulting to use the familiar with someone you don't know well? I suppose they're trying to be fake family to the people they're addressing, but my understanding is that people would be insulted by the rudeness.

  • 31. AndrewPDX  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Anonygrl,
    how much did Hollywood pay you for the rights to your BUS stories, as this has got to be a Joaquin-Phoenix-quitting-acting hoax.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 32. Kate  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Felyx – lots of discussion of their many Spanish errors in earlier threads; take a look. Fun stuff.

  • 33. bonobo  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    That's what's been ground into my head for 20 years now by my neighbors. And then of course they laugh because for 20 years they've been trying to teach me spanish and it just don't stick.
    Irma, Al the people at the store and several other mexican friends of mine have warned me repeatedly not to use the "family" terms if I ain't considered family. It's highly insulting and just darn bad manners to boot.

  • 34. Regan DuCasse  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I really, REALLY want to see how Brian Brown spins this.

    We know they reported our side's counter demonstrations as riots, threats to children and loud angry flash mobs that disrupted their proceedings.

    Wonder what kept people away in droves? Those nasty militant gays they keep talking about?

  • 35. Felyx  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Why do you think no actual Latinos are showing up?

    I am serious. This was never really intended to 'reach out' to the Latin community. Inappropriate grammar, no flyers in Spanish, no speakers speaking in Spanish and no pre-organization to tap the Spanish language websites, media or people in general.

    In fact, speaking as a person with somewhat of a Latin heritage, there is no actual understanding of the Latin culture here at all. Most Latina families are more in tune with actual family values. If your child is gay then you have to still love that child. If your spouse cheats on you with a same-sex person then you scream and yell and deal with it but you don't really divorce. Gay aunts and Uncles are still invited to family reunions and the partner is referred to as a 'close friend'. Yes there is some enmity and a heapload of denial but in the end, family is family.

    Brian believes family is a bunch of kids that you pawn off on your wife and ignore. Maggie's family is her kid and a stranger to that kid (for all I know). These people don't understand the Latin concept of family and they SERIOUSLY do not have ANY understanding of the Latin culture… and neither did they ever seriously intend to.

    So to answer your question Ann, yes, this is really sort of a massive insult to an entire culture for personal gain.

  • 36. Felyx  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    There will be no spin… this is a distraction to cover the sham. For all the one million spent, it will be a footnote on NOM's website. (And a major talking point on Brian's resumé. :( Sad but true.)

  • 37. Felyx  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    @Kate,

    No time to mess with NOM's non-anglo grammatical errors… even the English grammatical errors are not worth my time.

  • 38. bonobo  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I am hoping above hope that one of our TT's have a video camera for the JellyBelly (non) event. If all goes as planned, JB will kick them out now that they've been warned (in which case, they'll drive down the street to the Coors Brewers for a sample or two). If not, we can video them on tour and show that to their supporters. Enough of that footage and NOM will never get another dime from any of their supporters.

  • 39. Kate  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Do you think they'll show there, Bo?

  • 40. Felyx  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    I am calling it now… most of the itinerary is now going to be scrapped. The VtV TTers will have to follow the bus full time now. Someone else will have to go to JB to record the non-event. (Take a free tour while you are at it… that way it won't be a total waste of time.)

    Cheering you on TT guys! Major points for every stop you manage to NOT lose the bus! (Since that will be the only goal now that the sham of the scam is being revealed!)

    Felyx

  • 41. bonobo  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    You know Kate. I wouldn't be surprised. It fits the criteria. They put on the miles, take a pic of their bus at a well known spot and get free candy too. And if they can get their pic taken talking to people inside JB's it's even better. It's a win-win situation. Oh yeah, they get to see a famous picture of their favorite JellyBelly president. Not to meantion that the Coors (or maybe Bud) brewery is right down the road.
    What could be better when you're on a tour to nowhere? Just racking up the expense account.

  • 42. bonobo  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    It's the only answer that makes sense to me, looking at their tour schedule. Why you would leave Yuba, only to come back to Yuba, or why you wouldn't hit Davis first, makes no sense to me. And why you would go to Willows, of all places is beyond me. I don't know if you ever come down South, but the schedule makes no sense. I travel to Woodland and Sac at least once a month, and parts of my family still live in the Bay Area, the times they have are not possible if they expect to stop and talk also. Any google map would be able to show them that. Plus, I'll bet if we checked with the cities they have listed, we'll find no permits applied for and no "ads" in the local papers. They're out on a major joy ride. A last hurrah at someone else's expense, or they are the red herring. Either way, we need video.
    This so much reminds me of when I used to follow trucks for a living workng for DoD. Not to mention when I was a physical security specialist. Ahhh, those were fun times. Now I'm just a farmer. But the air is so much better here.
    Bo

  • 43. Lora  |  September 28, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Keep up the great work!! You've gotten under their skin…I love it!
    Don't they see how utterly embarrassing this should be?

  • 44. book in Tracy  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I realize we aren't really 'protesting' this Tour, but is anyone planning to show up in Stockton or Modesto? I don't want to give NOM numbers, but if others are interested in lurking, it might be fun to giggle together–from a distance. Leave a reply or click my name.

  • 45. Alan E.  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    One of my favorite Venture Brothers quotes:

    "the elaborate game of cat and also cat."

  • 46. Alan E.  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Check out this biblical response to the "It Gets Better Project":

    [youtube

    47. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    That reminds me of "The Hunt For Red October", and Sean Connery's speech. Couldn't find a clip of the speech, but part of it is in the trailer:

    [youtube

    48. Kathleen  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    This is disgusting. I couldn't watch it all.

  • 49. BradK  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Better yet Kathleen, someone should edit a video montage of clips from the FAILtour2 with this as a soundtrack. Extra points for footage of NOM being told to "move on" by law enforcement.

  • 50. Cat  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Please get lots of footage, so Werner Herzog can turn this train wreck into a "Thelma & Louise meets Grizzly Man" movie.

    From Wikipedia, on the `Road Movie Genre': Like their antecedents, the road movie tends towards an episodic structure. In each episode, there is a challenge to be met, although not all of them will be met successfully. In most episodes, a piece of the plot is revealed – knowledge or allies are gained, and so on. Sometimes, as in Heart of Darkness, this progress is inverted, and each episode represents a loss rather than a gain. (Emphasis mine)

    At the end of the movie the people who thought they donated to religious charities helping the needy, but saw their money being wasted on another NOM #Fail tour instead, will push the bus (with all it's accomplices) over a cliff… Soft-hearted as I am, the accomplices stagger out of the badly damaged bus (think A-team) and are apprehended by the police for fraud, hate-speech and harassment.

  • 51. libra_rising  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Yes, that video was disgusting. My response:

    Ecclesiastes 11:5

    Just as you do not know the path of the wind and how bones are formed in the womb of the pregnant woman, so you do not know the activity of G-d who makes all things

    The man is clearly incorrect.

  • 52. Jonathan H  |  September 28, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Well, I made it to about 2:20 before the white hot rage overtook me and I shut it off for fear that I'd crush whatever I happened to be holding at the time and then badly damage my hands by continuing to squeeze.

    I keep thinking this has to be a troll vid, you know? Deliberately getting people angry, nothing else. He's up there with Westboro Baptist from what I heard.

    On some level, I think, this has to be deliberate. I mean, there's just no way someone could start off with a lie that misrepresents every facet of the subject at hand and then blame the victim like it's a spectator sport without knowing what they're up to. Maybe it's a persecution complex, like, "If I say this shit they're sure to really hate me and say nasty things to me and then I can be persecuted just like Jesus!"

    What kind of sick world does someone have to live in where that kind of suffering isn't enough, where you then have to damn them to constant torture with no hope of release, ever, not even the sweet oblivion of non-existence, for the crime of being different!?

    If anyone needs me I'll be searching for enough whiskey to drink myself to death.

  • 53. Bob  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    that guy in the video, is accepting responsiblity for the teen suicides.

  • 54. Manilow  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Ugh – just as I was settling down to head to bed – that video got my blood boiling. I'm going to have to watch an episode of Murder, She Wrote just to calm down.

  • 55. Rhie  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Same here. The cat is looking at me funny.

  • 56. Lightning Baltimore  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I went to the website, as he suggested. What is The LOT Project?

    The LOT Project is a Phoenix Az. based ministry, serving the Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgender community.

    Since when is denigrating dead teenagers an aspect of "serving" any community?

    For those who didn't watch it, here's what he had to say about Billy Lucas:

    . . . Savage makes mention of a young man named Billy Lucas, who hanged himself, obviously, because he was gay and unable to endure the guilt that the words of others prompted in him.

    This was, indeed, a tragedy, but not anywhere near the tragedy that Billy will discover in eternity, when he faces the wrath of God upon rebellious and unrepentant sinners. Then, he will realize that his sin could not be atoned for by his own death, and he will realize that people who encourage sin, like Dan Savage, are deceivers. He will see them for what they are: the blind leading the blind; and he will realize that he has fallen into that ditch, that the blind leading the blind.inevitably fall into. That's eternal destruction and misery.

    Sadly, it's too late for Billy.

    (emphasis mine)

    I hope Billy's grieving parents don't see or hear this,

  • 57. JonT  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    '…speaking from god's pint of view…'

    These people truly are evil. I quit watching that shit halfway through.

  • 58. Rhie  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Just curious, IS this stuff legal in court?

  • 59. Slade  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Felyx: Actually I asked my friend who lives in Mexico about it and she said the whole sentence is grammatically incorrect. "Vota Tus Valores" makes no sense at all. She was saying it should be "vota por tus valores".

    But I guess a bus full of non-Spanish speakers wouldn't know that (Hell even I didn't know!)

  • 60. JonT  |  September 28, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    I wish I hadn't read this. Didn't make it that far into the video. What an asshole.

  • 61. Rhie  |  September 28, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Wooooow. What's the name of the guy who is saying this?

    Sadly, I do believe he is serious. Those types (and it is a type) believe that they have the truth, and that God has planted that truth in everyone deep, deep down. So, if anyone is upset by their words about that Truth, it must be the Holy Spirit convicting them. That causes them to lash out in anger because of how guilty they feel.

    I'm completely serious. I was TAUGHT THIS as the compassionate response to LGBT, abortion providers, anyone not a One True Christian.

    And yes I hope his parents never ever see that.

  • 62. Rhie  |  September 28, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Ooh i love that show. It must be an awful video if a show about murders calms you down heh.

  • 63. elliom  |  September 28, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Rhie:

    You just put this image in my head (cue wavy thought effects):

    (Nameless celebrity gets off sofa, gets in bed, and grabs a book. That guy from "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" narrates.)

    After a relaxing evening watching "Faces of Death," our star climbs into bed with a copy of "Hunting Humans" for some light reading and pleasant dreams.

  • 64. nightshayde  |  September 28, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    I got a response from Jelly Belly (about the e-mail I sent them on Monday):

    Thank you for taking the time to write; we appreciate hearing your thoughts and concerns.

    We were unaware of the “National Organization for Marriage” coming to visit prior to several emails that we received. We do not accept reservations for our free tours and tour buses often stop here for our free public tours. We have not rented any of our facilities for this group and no event or rally will be held here.

    Thank you for being among our special Jelly Belly fans. We value your patronage.

    Sincerely,

    Kit McCoy
    Consumer Affairs Manager

    So it really sounds to me as if the Jelly Belly company has no idea that NOM is using them — and that the tour is only stopping there because someone on the bus has always wanted to visit the factory or something.

    I'm impressed that they got back to me before the scheduled stop. The automated response I got when I first sent the e-mail said a response could take 2-3 business days & I wasn't expecting an answer until Thursday.

  • 65. Ann S.  |  September 28, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Isn't it Anheuser-Busch that is right across the street? It was last time we were there and toured both.

  • 66. Michael  |  September 28, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Why are unsupervised minors being taken on a bus to be recruited and indoctrinated into the immoral anti-gay agenda?

  • 67. Felyx  |  September 28, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    I used the word 'grammatical' but I was really pointing out the cultural aspect of it. Moreover I was really emphasizing that it was addressing a single person instead of multiple persons… which so far has actually been the case.

    There is nothing real about this tour. I would compare it to any group of people faced with mercenaries instead of 'patriotic' adversaries who has a real stake in the fight other than money. These people are highly paid henchmen. Highly paid as in 'paid at all' for this. Before I thought this was a dispute with people who really believed in something. It is crushing to realize, like the Bush reelection campaign, no one cares, it's just financial and politically expedient to manipulate peoples prejudices in order to abuse gays.

    Just really disgusting. I can't be with Kyrill 'cuz Bush wanted power for the hell of it and Mags is making a buck… throwing up now.

  • 68. Sapphocrat  |  September 28, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Michael, you've never heard of a "bus ministry"?

    Not that you ever should have — I didn't know WTF such a thing was until I started digging into the vomit-making empire of Indy Fundy Baptist Jack Hyles ( http://home.conservativebabylon.com/2007/11/09/ja… ) — but you, sir, have just struck the nail on the head. It didn't even dawn on me what these Hate Tours really are before you said it ('though I bet you didn't know it):

    "Many Independent Baptist churches have very organized outreach ministries such as weekly ;soul winning,' in which groups go and evangelize areas surrounding the church building. Many churches will also have 'bus ministries', in which volunteers drive church buses or vans to surrounding areas to bring people (mostly children) to the church’s services. …"

    Gone from Wikipedia (but I've got the whole thing: http://home.conservativebabylon.com/independent-f… )

    My goodness, this is a bus ministry. The NOMbies are trying to lift the ever-so-successful tactics of IFB "bus ministries." Only not so successfully.

    Whoa.

  • 69. Vaati  |  September 28, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Seriously, didn't anybody teach these kids not to talk to strangers? Especially strangers with a big colorful vehicle? I think the parents of those kids should be notified that their children were confronted by this group.

  • 70. rf  |  September 28, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    that's what I want to know. Doesn't California have child enticement laws? i mean, who's to say they weren't lured onto that bus for nefarious reasons. at the very least, their parents should be notified, if not the police.

  • 71. anonygrl  |  September 28, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    I WISH it were…. I couldn't write something as ridiculous as this. My favorite part is the giant colorful tour bus trying to sneak away…

  • 72. Lightning Baltimore  |  September 28, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Of course, he has the truth! That's why he's not allowing comments on the video:

    Now, I know that people listening to this video and watching it are chomping at the bit to make their comments. Well, the fact of the matter is there are no comments. The simple truth is this: there is no legitimte debate. I know that many so-called "churches," and many apostate denominations, have caused people to believe there is a debate where God's word on homosexualiy is concerned. There is not.

  • 73. Alan E.  |  September 28, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    I would love to see what literature they are sending out. Can you get your hands on some to mail back to HQ so they can scan it?

  • 74. AndrewPDX  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:04 am

    How, exactly, does a 'mere moral' have the ability to 'speak from God's point of view'? Talk about arrogance, megalomania, hubris, and just plain ignorance.

    Or, was that not a typo, and they were really referring to God's pint? The Irish Catholic side of my family would be pleased to hear about that :)

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 75. Anonygrl  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:07 am

    At the very least, the Intrepid Tour Trackers should say, in a very loud voice "Children! Don't EVER get into a vehical with strangers! You should know better! You might be kidnapped, or hurt or even killed if you do!! Run along home now, please, and be sure to tell your parents that someone tried to lure you onto a bus! I will call the police, to protect other children from this danger!"

    Then call the police. And when they come, show pictures of the VOmbies enticing unaccompanied children onto the bus.

  • 76. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Oh, yes…please get the literature. I would love to see what they are passing out too!

  • 77. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Will try to catch up later.

  • 78. Paulie  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:29 am

    It's funny how "religion" evangelizes but we "recruit".

    It's so disgusting I can hardly type. While I don't care for the suggesting that "catholic" = pedo any more than "glbt" = pedo.

    What I think is so telling is these folks are so 'board' they have 'babies on board' just to feel as if they're connecting with people.

  • 79. GreenEyedLilo  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:31 am

    I keep wanting to sing the theme to "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth-Grader?" In this case, the answer's clearly no!

    As for the pork rinds, well, they are called "NOM." Nomnomnom!

  • 80. Sagesse  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Article in the New Republic by John McWhorter

    Bishop Long’s Opportunity for Redemption
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/john-mcwhorter/78024/bish

  • 81. Catherine  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:48 am

    That's exactly the first thing that jumped out at me when I read this! If our people had approached children NOMers would have had a field-day about the gay agenda and perverting the children. How dare they?! As a parent, if ANYONE approached my minor child (5th graders are 10-11 years old – my daughter's in 4th) to show them their vehicle or tell them about any issue I'd be incensed! As a matter of fact, I am incensed. Accosting children for their agenda is lower than low

  • 82. Dave P.  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Oh, good point. And was there a head count?

  • 83. Catherine  |  September 29, 2010 at 1:15 am

    A bus ministry is a little different. They have the permission of the parents before those kids get on the bus to go to church. They don't just pick them up off the streeet and take them. Here the NOMers invited minors onto their bus without the knowledge or permission of their parents. Unacceptable!

  • 84. Chris in Lathrop  |  September 29, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Too bad comments aren't allowed. As of right now, the video has gotten 2 likes and 320 dislikes, which include a dislike and a "flag as inappropriate" from me. What a sick, perverted, twisted excuse for a human being!

  • 85. Kate  |  September 29, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Hi Bo: I've wondered about that aimless wandering through the Valley towns, too. It's as though they have to find a way to use up fuel so they can have a record of how much they poured into that bus, as some sort of proof of commitment to this silly tour.

    Do you have a FB page or other way to contact you? I'm an ag person, too; have had a ranch up here for many years now.

    I love your Mom!

  • 86. Ed Cortes  |  September 29, 2010 at 1:57 am

    They're scheduled to be in Concord today at noon, so I'll see if I can get away from work and drive over there. (This time, I'm remembering to check "the box").

  • 87. Kate  |  September 29, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Good news, Ed. Say Hi to Mormon Mom while you're there. Take a camera!

  • 88. Ed Cortes  |  September 29, 2010 at 3:29 am

    I'll be the one in a faded "Colorado" T-shirt and paint-stained boots.

  • 89. bonobo@dishmail.net  |  September 29, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Here ya go Kate. Just click on my name.

    Wear and tear on a bus, not to mention meals, drinks, and other "expenses". It all adds up.

  • 90. Kate  |  September 29, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Ed — Make sure you have a sign or something so They won't video you and then claim you as part of their crowd of supporters. Judy reports them doing that very thing at their Sacto stop.

  • 91. bonobo@dishmail.net  |  September 29, 2010 at 3:32 am

    And thanks, I love my Mom too.

  • 92. JonT  |  September 29, 2010 at 6:45 am

    Sadly Andrew, it was a typo :)

    I just love how people like that can claim to 'speak for god'.

    Well, I can do that too: "Hey Video Douchebag, God told me last night that you are completely wrong and will now suffer an eternity in Hell. He asked me to tell you to STFU and make amends to the LGBT community if you want to avoid your almost certain fate of eternal damnation. You have been warned."

    See how easy that is?

  • 93. Daniel Morales  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Thanks for the valuable information on the former queen of gay pride. Miss Karyme L.
    I happen to know gay people that work close to her and this latest attempt to milk conservatives for not knowing the Latino community and not knowing that she is a "has been" has totally backfired..
    http://www.besetu.com.

  • 94. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 29, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Interesting website Daniel…I wish I knew more Spanish!

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  • 96. Elizabeth Oakes  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    "Asesina" is right (and it works in English too…check the booty on that muchacha!)

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