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Adoption now official: NOM the proud parent of one over-the-top Facebook wall
September 28, 2010
This is also the same Louis Marinelli who wrote on his blog “A piece of paper gives you access to a series of benefits afforded to married couples but it doesn’t make you married.” Because your marriage isn’t a marriage unless Louis says it is. -Adam
Cross-posted at Good As You
By Jeremy Hooper
For months now we’ve been telling you how the National Organization For Marriage has been slowly incorporating Louis “gays want pedophilia, polygamy, and prostitution” Marinelli‘s online initiatives into their strategy. Now they have made it even more official, declaring that Louis’ often incendiary “Protect Man One Woman” Facebook page is now NOM’s organizational home:
[NOM's official Facebook wall]
So it’s now one billion percent official, folks: The incredibly eye-opening, “ex-gay”-backing “Protect Marriage: One Man, One Woman” Facebook page that was created by newfound NOM strategist (and bus driver) Louis Marinelli is NOM’s “new home on Facebook.” Just a reminder: This is the same Louis J. Marinelli who has used Paul Cameron’s research to say that “gays have shorter life spans,” who thinks that all gays are single even if they are married or in a committed relationship, who thinks that Peter LaBarbera and his fringe “Americans For Truth” group is merely “tell[ing] the truth about homosexuality,” who says that marriage equality is “a mockery and a hijacking of the civil rights movement,” who flat-out calls gays an abomination, who says that “Deviance” describes actions or behaviours that violate cultural norms – homosexuality is far from a cultural norm. Therefore, it is deviant,” who claims that “Homosexuality and gay marriage are wrong and harmful to society,” who thinks that “there shouldn’t be any recognition of homosexual relationships because that is saying that homosexuality is OK,” who says that “what they do is blantantly [sic] immoral. 
[smile his own], ” who has compared our unions to that which might exist between a sterile brother and sister, who resorts to blanket character assassination in saying that one should “#nevertrust activists of the homosexual agenda – they are deceitful people who care only about themselves and not what’s best for society,” and who has made an egregious video declaring that modern LGBT rights activists want the “3 P’s: Prostitution, pedophilia, and polygamy“:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60hOzuoYRFs]
This
Who needs a militant agenda? NOM has allowed selves (and message) to be hijacked [G-A-Y]
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91 Comments Leave a Comment
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Lesbians Love Boies | September 28, 2010 at 7:33 am
subscribing
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 7:34 am
Back to counting.
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Ann S. | September 28, 2010 at 7:37 am
Sub-subscribing. And coughing a lot.
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Christopher in San F | September 28, 2010 at 7:42 am
Hey everyone!
Just a quick note…I took a peek at the Joe. My. God. blog and he's got a story regarding the Jelly Belly NOM fail tour stop. Apparently they were not aware of it and do not support it. Anyone have any other info on this great development?
Love as always,
Christopher in San Francisco
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 7:47 am
It's all here to read, Christopher.
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aaron | September 28, 2010 at 7:52 am
I hate these evil NOM bastards. I wish I could pray for them, but all I find is hate for them.
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 7:57 am
Can someone tell me the limits of ht legality for this site please?
http://www.christianjobwire.com/index.php?id=5
Here is the story about it from OneNewsNow:
It seems to me that this is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I almost want to apply for a job so they can discriminate against me!
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Ķĭŗîļĺę& | September 28, 2010 at 8:00 am
Wow, I posted one response on their page and was immediately removed (hi, Louise).
I'll repost it here
I agree, the last phrase was a little bit too much, but still…
– ♂K♥F♂
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Ann S. | September 28, 2010 at 8:03 am
That seems highly questionable, to say the least. Employment discrimination based on religion should be a slam-dunk, but proving it would take legwork, I think, such has having one applicant apply through the XtianJobWire and an applicant with the same or better credentials applying separately, and doing this enough times to establish the pattern of discrimination. If they are all small employers, which seems likely, it could be hard to actually prosecute, I think, unless they make the mistake of asking people their religion during an interview.
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Ronnie | September 28, 2010 at 8:10 am
That page has been filling with the death threats towards LGBT people, advocating to make being Gay illegal, the disgusting comparisons, degrading, demeaning, insulting, & offending LGBT people & demanding that we care about what they want & their anti-gay feeling & sensitivities while completely saying that what we want doesn't matter at all. & Lastly that they are the only ones deserving anything from the government & if we want anything we have to change or nothing at all…They talk about things that have nothing to do with marriage such as DADT, ENDA, SNDA, etc. They remove all pro-equality comments but they don't ban you…they keep you on their like list to inflate & lie about their fake numbers……5 of my pro-equality friends are on their like list but all of their comments got deleted & they have all been banned from posting on the wall but not banned from the page.
Someone posted an article about the young boy, Asher Brown, who killed himself recently in Texas because of anti-gay bullying right above an article from Focus on the Family called "Coming to a school near you: The Homosexual Agenda" about protecting children blah blah blah…The article about the young boy in Texas was removed by the admin….yeah they want to protect the children alright…the heterosexual anty-gay children only that is…..
That page is nothing but a Fascist breeding ground for anti-gay terrorists who maybe either posting or lurking….so disgustingly sad….. > ( …Ronnie
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Lesbians Love Boies | September 28, 2010 at 8:11 am
Well, I think the NOMs must die wasn't really called for…but I like the rest!
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Ronnie | September 28, 2010 at 8:14 am
wow…face in palms… : / …Ronnie
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AndrewPDX | September 28, 2010 at 8:14 am
Ah… the National Organization for Misinformation has finally found a fitting home.
When can we get them labeled as a Hate Group?
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
Andrew
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JusB23 | September 28, 2010 at 8:16 am
::Like:::
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fiona64 | September 28, 2010 at 8:16 am
And, lest we forget, this is the same Louis J. Marinelli (Hola, Louis y Tomas!) who insisted that he was not part of NOM and vice versa.
Excuse me, Mr. Marinelli, but your pants appear to be on fire.
Love,
Fiona
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fiona64 | September 28, 2010 at 8:19 am
Just start reporting the page, folks …
Love,
Fiona
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 8:19 am
I've wondered about this with regard to housing. Why can landlords refuse to rent to gays, but I (who owns a rental) cannot refuse to rent to straights?
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 8:24 am
They removed me. Maybe it was the sign in my profile picture that says "Gays Love Boies."
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 8:29 am
Wow Facebook has a selection for "based on gender or orientation"!
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 8:31 am
I haven't found a way to report it …. admittedly, I am a FB Luddite.
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 8:37 am
Go to their main page on Facebook. The very bottom of the left column (below Favorite Pages) is "Report Page." This is also where you "unlike" it.
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Kathleen | September 28, 2010 at 8:38 am
Just subscribing – hope to read later
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Bobw | September 28, 2010 at 8:41 am
Report the page to Facebook as hateful. There's a link at the bottom left.
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 8:47 am
OK Alan E, I found the report link. Do I have to refer to any specific posts on the site? I really don't want to have to read them to find the ones advocating murder……
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 8:50 am
First select "Contains hate speech…"
Then select "…based on gender or orientation."
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Santa Barbara Mom | September 28, 2010 at 8:52 am
Nice, even I figured out how to report them. Hmmm, felt good!
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Bob | September 28, 2010 at 8:54 am
Is Asher Brown, the latest child suicide, I mean he hasn't been mentioned on here before has he, I'm just trying to keep track, how many does this make????
I brought attention to it on another thread, but can't recall if he was listed before.
sorry Asher RIP we're not having much success in linking their hatred towards teh gays, and the results,
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 9:00 am
Well, whaddya' know. The thread over there I was starting to post on just got taken down.
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Gregory in SLC | September 28, 2010 at 9:01 am
Thanks SBM for you on-going support
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 9:02 am
I see that our pal Michael Ejercito posts there in his real incarnation.
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Ann S. | September 28, 2010 at 9:04 am
Kate, neither is legal in California.
California Government Code Section 12920.
And on the issue of the XtianJobWire:
California Government Code Section 12940.
The problem, as with so many things, is proving it. If the employer or landlord says, "I think so-and-so is a better fit", it's hard to prove they meant "because of their sexual orientation" or "because of their religion" or "because of their race".
A friend used to help out with investigations like this by posing as a prospective renter and applying for different places to live. It takes money and a number of applications to show a pattern of discrimination.
When my brother and his husband got married, they hosted a lovely reception for us all at a restaurant near City Hall. They mentioned that they has asked another place to give an estimate for the same thing and it had come in quite high. They understood this to mean, "no, we don't approve of your marriage and don't want to host this", and of course they never ate there again.
But without sending in a number of other couples to request bids for similar events and comparing them, it is impossible to prove anything.
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Ronnie | September 28, 2010 at 9:04 am
http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=news&s…
Texas pre-teen takes life after anti-gay bullying
by Hannah Clay Wareham
Associate Editor
Tuesday Sep 28, 2010
"Thirteen-year-old Asher Brown of Cypress, TX, shot and killed himself on Thursday, Sept. 23. The eighth-grader’s parents say that the boy was "bullied to death."
"Brown’s mother and stepfather Amy and David Truong told The Houston Chronicle that their son experienced constant harassment because of his slight stature, his religion, and the fact that he didn’t wear brand-name clothes and shoes. The group of bullies also accused Brown of being gay, and simulated sex acts with him during gym class."
His innocent life is NOM's, Focus on the Family's, Family Restriction Council's etc etc etc…..hands……they should be held accountable for fueling anti-gay bulling & harassment……> ( ….Ronnie
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 9:08 am
Ann, is this a fairly recent change? I am the first to admit that I live under a rock.
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JonT | September 28, 2010 at 9:09 am
Subscribing to Kathleen.
Hi!
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 9:10 am
I think after I got kicked, they changed it so I can remain a "liker," but can't do diddly squat.
Also, someone posted Matt's rebuttable video to NOM's ad in Iowa, but it was taken down quickly. They are watching the page very closely.
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Don in Texas | September 28, 2010 at 9:13 am
Asher Brown
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Lesbians Love Boies | September 28, 2010 at 9:15 am
…and this one too!
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JonT | September 28, 2010 at 9:16 am
'Is Asher Brown, the latest child suicide, I mean he hasn’t been mentioned on here before has he, I’m just trying to keep track, how many does this make?'
I saw your post in the last thread and added another POH entry in my blog. So far, I've got 8 dead kids listed.
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Mark M. (Seattle) | September 28, 2010 at 9:18 am
It's really hard isn't it Aaron….I absolutely understand what you're saying. I try to be a good Christian in my works and deeds….and I know it's wrong to 'hate' but when it comes to NOM it's SO hard not to. I pray to have the hate removed from my heart but I think God is expecting me to do that myself
I do pray for them….I pray they see the error of their ways, and that their hearts and minds are opened and filled with love.
I'm still waiting and praying
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NetAmigo | September 28, 2010 at 9:21 am
If NOM is incorporating Louis J. Marinelli's site as their own, it indicates to me NOM is slowly winding down their activities and unable to maintain their own site. Thus, they turn over to volunteers like Louis to continue carrying the ball. Let the site be way over the top. It will turn off more moderate and thoughtful people. I think NOM is dying a slow death because society in general is coming to terms with the gay community and starting to accept them. At some point, everyone can forget about such fanatics.
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Bob | September 28, 2010 at 9:24 am
Thanks guys for focusng our attention on another death of a Rainbow Child,
Wonder if it would be possible to make a full page story about this so far successfull extinction of our youth.
The message from the religious reicht is workiing by planting the idea in the minds of people and keeping themselves at arms length. These deaths seem to be occurring more frequently and we need to focus some attention directly on that subject.
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Lesbians Love Boies | September 28, 2010 at 9:24 am
At least it has much of their misinformation in one location (makes it easier for us to find) –
• Links to things NOM beleives in
• Discussions from NOMbies
• Join Form
• Flickr – Tour photos
• RSS/Blog (NOM's blog from their website)
• Nation for Marriage YouTube videos
• Join Form (two join forms, twice the way to get mo money)
• Twitter feed
• NOM info
• Facebook Wall
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Lesbians Love Boies | September 28, 2010 at 9:25 am
spelling errors not intentional
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Judy | September 28, 2010 at 9:26 am
In honor of keeping personal religious beliefs out of the courts, we have this remembrance from freethoughtday.org/history:
Over 300 years ago, on October 12, 1692, Governor William Phipps of the Colony of Massachusetts made a decision that brought to an end the horrendous Salem Witch trials.
A Christian, nevertheless he declared that spectral evidence (supernaturalism) would no longer be admissible in court, and so the trials, due to lack of appropriate evidence, came to an end. The governor’s decision was a distinct departure from the general community’s extant thinking and a giant step on the path toward the principle of legal neutrality that would, when the United States incorporated into its brand new Constitution a Bill of Rights, assure each U.S. citizen the freedom to follow his/her conscience regarding matters of ultimate belief.
In our increasingly pluralistic nation of today, the Freethought Day Celebration of Reason and Church/State Separation serves as a reminder that our courts and public institutions should be places of fairness and justice for everyone.
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Lesbians Love Boies | September 28, 2010 at 9:28 am
Did they call him an 'activist' Gov?
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Kathleen | September 28, 2010 at 9:28 am
Waving to JonT
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bJason | September 28, 2010 at 9:43 am
Just went to FB and Reported the page
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Judy | September 28, 2010 at 9:49 am
LLB, funny!
Here's what I found on another history site:
"The educated elite of the colony began efforts to end the witch-hunting hysteria."
Interesting use of the word 'elite'. I believe our trial witnesses were recently referred to as 'elite' by the H8ers.
After it was halted, many priests, jurors and others admitted their wrongful frenzy. The main instigator, though, refused to apologize and later became governor.
I'm finding this mainly at http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/…
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Bob | September 28, 2010 at 9:56 am
@JonT big hugs, for your attention to the anielation of gay youth, 8 and counting, thanks I mean I don't know what to say, but the fact that you take the time to keep a list is sooo hudge, we can't let those little guys just disappear they need to be honored in our fight, we have to do what they couldn't/wouldn't, and work fast to prevent more kids from leaving us.
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Sagesse | September 28, 2010 at 10:02 am
Going to try this reporting thing. Sounds very satisfying.
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anonygrl | September 28, 2010 at 10:04 am
I have the same problem… can LIKE the page but cannot post.
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Kate | September 28, 2010 at 10:31 am
Well, all the pro-equality posts are gone. Again.
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draNgNon | September 28, 2010 at 10:36 am
just say no to Facebook
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Jonathan H | September 28, 2010 at 11:44 am
sub
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JonT | September 28, 2010 at 12:25 pm
@Bob: …I don’t know what to say, but the fact that you take the time to keep a list is sooo hudge, we can’t let those little guys just disappear they need to be honored in our fight, we have to do what they couldn’t/wouldn’t, and work fast to prevent more kids from leaving us.'
Thanks.
It's just so freaking depressing. I'm thinking of starting a separate blog just for this… shit. Tying these dead kids around the necks of these groups like AFA, FRC, NOM, and all of the other pieces of human shit pretending to be about the family. Riiight.
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Richard A. Walter (s | September 28, 2010 at 12:36 pm
And they spent all that time lying about Louis being "only the bus driver."
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RebeccaRGB | September 28, 2010 at 1:11 pm
The first living organisms were single-cell. The first of these organisms was called Adam. When Eve was created from Adam's rib, that was the very first organism performing the very first cell division. Now, single-cell organisms reproduce asexually, so they don't have such a thing as sex or gender. Therefore the names Adam and Eve were arbitrarily assigned. So it doesn't matter if you call them Adam and Eve, or Adam and Steve, or Madam and Eve!
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Elizabeth Oakes | September 28, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Yes, because I would be sad if the people who made Bertie Bott's Beans were anti-equality. Mixed messages, dontcha know.
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Elizabeth Oakes | September 28, 2010 at 1:29 pm
I think that religious non-profits and orgs are exempted however–by case law if not statute. A church, religious school, "ministry" (which I assume is a religious non-profit) can usually discriminate by requiring that employees sign an agreement to engage in "Christian conduct" or be fired. I understand from a lawyer acquaintance who used to specialize in such cases that it's very difficult to nail a religious org for violating employment law, since the court is pretty much enjoined from questioning religious practices by the Constitution, so even if they egregiously violate a worker's rights they can usually walk. Essentially: if you choose to work for a religious org don't expect to be protected by the EEOC.
Private businesses are another matter, however. They might be more vulnerable…but pursuing it will give them more ammo for that whole "we'll be forced to accommodate gay marriages" argument, won't it? Hmmm.
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Elizabeth Oakes | September 28, 2010 at 1:39 pm
The Kristian Klan strikes again.
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Ann S. | September 28, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Kate, I don't know the vintage of the sexual orientation provision being added. Within the last 5 years, maybe? Just a guess.
Elizabeth, there are a number of exceptions. I think you're right about the religious organizations. For housing, there might be an exception for a 4 unit (or smaller) building if the owner lives there. I'm not certain right now, and since I have now taken my codeine cough suppressant I must turn in.
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JonT | September 28, 2010 at 2:37 pm
'I’m thinking of starting a separate blog just for this… shit.'
And here it is: http://thepriceofhate.blogspot.com/
I will add an individual post for each one I'm made aware of. I've already added the 8 I had on the other site.
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Jonathan H | September 28, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Well done, JonT. Bookmarked the site, and now I'm going to find something happy to do for a while.
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Kathleen | September 28, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Sadly, another young boy. He had been on life support but died today. http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-…
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Rhie | September 28, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Same.
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Rhie | September 28, 2010 at 3:16 pm
I'd amend it to "the hateful agenda of NOM must die" but otherwise A+.
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Bob | September 28, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Kathleen, thanks for posting the story about Seth, I'm pretty sure Jeff mentioned him on another thread, but JonT has created a blog to list all these deaths, so I'm sure he'll know if he's been listed or not.
RIP SETH
his families words were for the community to be more accepting of differences.
Wonder if we could get a group of parents to file an amicaus brief for our side in the Perry case. it could be powerful.
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Rhie | September 28, 2010 at 3:29 pm
you can flag the page and contact Facebook to have it removed. I am going to do so. The more the better.
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Rhie | September 28, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Yea they had a Shepherd's Guide, a sort of phone book for Christian businesses, at my church. The funny thing was more people used it to know which businesses NOT to contract with than otherwise. It seems that the businesses that advertised their faith heavily were the ones with the worst customer service, highest prices, etc.
The Christians that practiced what they preached in terms of business rarely advertised. At most, they would have that fish symbol on a business card.
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Rhie | September 28, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Done and done. They have a hate speech category including orientation? Cool!
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Rhie | September 28, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Realllllly interesting. Do we know what caused the panic or is that still a big history mystery?
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Kathleen | September 28, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Saw this interesting episode on PBS show Secrets of the Dead: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/previous_seasons/…
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elliom | September 28, 2010 at 3:57 pm
I'd subscribe to Kathleen….does she come in journal format? :>
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elliom | September 28, 2010 at 4:07 pm
For the newly adopted NOM Facebook page:
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Ann S. | September 28, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Salem wasn't the only place to burn witches, by any means. It was common in many parts of Europe for while.
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Alan E. | September 28, 2010 at 11:50 pm
What else floats?
Little tiny rocks?
A duck!
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AndrewPDX | September 29, 2010 at 12:00 am
[youtube
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Ronnie | September 29, 2010 at 2:47 am
@JonT….here's another….He's not a teen of a child…but still falls under the things people do to others w/o thinking about the consequences….there are no photos of this guy though (that I could find)
http://studentactivism.net/2010/09/29/rutgers-stu…
Reports: Rutgers Student Killed Himself After Roommate Videotaped Him In Gay Encounter
: ( ….Ronnie
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Ronnie | September 29, 2010 at 2:49 am
&….another link to a news report from PIX11 news about the same story:
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-rutgers-students,0,…
: ( ….Ronnie
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Ronnie | September 29, 2010 at 2:50 am
&….another link to a news report from PIX11 news about the same story:
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-rutgers-students,0,…
: ( ….Ronnie
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Ronnie | September 29, 2010 at 2:51 am
sorry…posted this in the wrong place….it was a reply & addition to my reply to JonT…..<3…Ronnie
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JonT | September 29, 2010 at 6:41 am
@Ronnie: Well he was 18, and 'outed' against his will. I found a picture of him (seems like Advocate has a story on him now too).
Tyler Clementi.
I added him to the list: http://thepriceofhate.blogspot.com/
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Rhie | September 29, 2010 at 7:23 am
Ann s- Salem didn't burn witches. They hung 14 men and women, and crushed one man. That case is interesting because it is a textbook case of mass hysteria – but caused by what? Leading theories include bad bread, over active imaginations coupled with fear and repression, a trick that got out of hand, etc.
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Ann S. | September 29, 2010 at 7:30 am
Rhie, that's interesting. They burned a number in Edinburgh (went on a most enlightening witch tour there) and in other places.
85. Don’t deprive kids &hellip | September 29, 2010 at 7:31 am
[...] Adoption now official: NOM the proud parent of one over-the-top … [...]
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Rhie | September 29, 2010 at 8:36 am
Ann S –
Oh yea burnings did happen other places. That's why a lot of people think they happened in Salem too. I would be interested to hear more about Edinburgh.
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Ann S. | September 29, 2010 at 8:51 am
Rhie, you are taxing my memory, I went on that tour in 1989, back when staying up for a tour that began at midnight seemed a reasonable thing to do.
I do remember our guide, a bright young man who seemed to have studied a lot of history. He was in a dracula cape with bright red lining and had painted his face white. He had business cards with his name, "Adam Lyell, deceased", and the date that he had been hanged on the Haymarket for stealing horses. One got the idea that an actual person by that name had been so hanged.
I can't believe I remember his name after all these years.
He had a lot of interesting information about the numbers of witches burned, and why. There is a fountain in Edinburgh near where the tour begins dedicated to the memory of the poor women (and men) so condemned.
There was also a lot of information about the plague years, body-snatching, chamber pots, supposed ghosts, and so on. He had an accomplice who would pop out at appropriate moments in disguise to make all the teen girls shriek.
It was all highly entertaining and very informative at the same time. I hear they do a similar tour in London and no doubt there are others, also.
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Rhie | September 29, 2010 at 10:45 am
Ann S – Thank you so much for that info. I will go poke around online and see what I can find
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Ann S. | September 29, 2010 at 10:54 am
Rhie, it turns out that Adam Lyal (deceased) has a FB page!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Adam-Lyal-Deceased/…
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Rhie | September 29, 2010 at 11:01 am
Ann S —
Shiny! Thanks!
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Kate | September 29, 2010 at 11:07 am
Y'all do remember that this is where the perjorative term "faggots" came from, right? That they used gay men as fuel/faggots for these executions?
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