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TheCall, Day 2: “Madonna kissed Britney [Spears] … and look what happened to her”

Right-wing TheCall Videos

(Here’s the first report from Day 2 of TheCall Sacramento from Arisha, along with pictures and video from Anthony, Phyllis and Andy. You can watch it live, streaming on God TV, if you don’t mind boosting their view count. To catch up on all of the posts thus far, click on the new “TheCall” category just created. — Eden)

By Arisha Hatch

Day 2 of TheCall Sacramento is in full gear, without thousands of worshipers in attendance.

Unlike the NOM summer rallies, in which we could actually hand-count NOM’s paltry attendance in the low two figures, we have to estimate TheCall’s much larger crowd. Compared to last night’s Raley Field event on Day 1, which we estimated at 10,000, my estimate of today’s attendance is about 6,000.

Lou Engle, dressed in a black button down shirt and jeans, stands on a large stage in front of the California State Capitol. With him on stage are a line of plain-clothed speakers — various pastors, and a California State Assemblymember.

The jumbotron finally begins showing the name of each speaker 45 minutes into the rally. None introduce themselves before they begin to pray. There haven’t been a lot of speeches, per se — just a steady stream of prayer. Here’s video of one of the first moments in which a speaker invoked a prayer after citing polling on abortion (“public opinion has shifted [on abortion from] 38% pro-life to 52% pro-life… “I believe that’s because of TheCall”). Anyone want to fact-check his numbers? He then raises his voice…

“Lord, we’re asking again that everything that can be shaken will be shaken”:

Two

Depending on the speaker, the message varies. We seem to have just entered the sexual perversion segment: pornography, sex-trafficking, abortion, homosexuality, bisexuality – with a dash of “gender confusion” rhetoric.

Cindy Jacobs asked the women in the audience to get on their knees and repent “girl on girl kissing [because] lesbianism is a plague.”

“Madonna kissed Britney [Spears] … and look what happened to [Britney].”

(Katy Perry might have been a more current example, but I digress).

“God, we ask you to forgive us as women for bisexuality, lesbianism and pornography,” another woman prayed. “We repent for opening up church doors to homosexuality.”

More to come, including several pictures…

UPDATE BY PHYLLIS:
They requested people to fast for 12 hours but volunteers are eating Little Ceasars pizza:

callpizza

UPDATE BY EDEN: If you want to watch the festivities live on God TV right now and share your thoughts in the comments, go for it.

UPDATE BY ARISHA: More and more, I’m coming to the conclusion that this movement that we’re witnessing today is wholly distinct from the Tea Party (and even NOM, although some of the players are the same).

For example, you’d never hear this at a Tea Party rally:

“The immigrant community will no longer be exploited; the immigrant community will be the source of the revival” said one speaker.

Even the older Latino man carrying around a 20-ft wooden cross attached to a wheel told Phyllis that she should be free to live her life as a lesbian. When he asked if he could pray for her it didn’t even come off as condescending.

(We’ve all heard “God bless you’s” that feel more like “f— you’s” today, but this didn’t feel the same).

A couple of local press cameras have gathered just outside the “backstage” gates, hoping (in theory) to get some on-camera time with a few of the bigger name speakers.

Another band is performing now.

UPDATE BY ARISHA: TheCall attendees have now formed small prayer circles throughout the mall and are praying for San Francisco “for those who live in the Castro” specifically “and for the mothers and fathers of children” who are struggling with sexual identity.

Four marriage equality activists are standing with signs just outside the event. Every few minutes they are approached by a reporter or a rally attendee. The conversations are civil — sometimes long. Equality supporters have been passing out articles detailing some of Lou Engle’s more controversial actions to attendees; most are shocked to find out about Engle’s “TheCall Uganda” event earlier this year.

UPDATE BY EDEN: This will be the last update to this post. Arisha is working on a new post, as is Andy Kelley, our New Media Organizer. Meanwhile, I just posted the following audio of what Cindy Jacobs said and an analysis of its connection to the Prop 8 trial here.

69 Comments

  • 1. Trish  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:26 am

    Meanwhile, Madonna's doing great.

  • 2. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:26 am

    And notice another example of their hypocrisy: the attendees are told to fast, but the volunteers are not fasting. What happened to leading by example? Oh, wait, I forgot, that is only for us; it doesn't apply to them. And supposedly we are the ones who must recruit in order to preserve our numbers. If this event is not a recruiting rally , then what on earth is it?
    And why am I seeing more and more parallels to Nazi Germany?

  • 3. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:27 am

    Forgot to click the button before submitting. DOH!

  • 4. Carpool Cookie  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:31 am

    I sometimes think Madonna's dore more than anyone else in history to bring us closer to sexual enlightenment.

    Is there an equivelant to Sainthood in the secular world?

    Who ever thought a pop star would lead us ? ? ?

  • 5. Ronnie  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:33 am

    “Lord, we’re asking again that everything that can be shaken will be shaken”:

    are they asking for an earthquake…wtf is wrong w/these nut-jobs?…..

    “Madonna kissed Britney [Spears] … and look what happened to [Britney].”….of all the things she's done…(married a known cheater right after he cheated on his ex w/her, flashed the entire world her pecan pie, shaved off all her hair (ahhhhhhhh!!!!!)….they focus on the kiss w/Madonna….priorities….she should sue them for misuse of her name……oh a nd the Bible doesn't say shite about Lesbianism so those sheep bahing, certifiable schlock need to stfu….

    Religious based Fascism is a plague…repent…repent…bad sheep…BAD!!!….<3…Ronnie

  • 6. Ann S.  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:46 am

    Hey, if fasting is the same as eating pizza, sign me up for a fast.

  • 7. Kathleen  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:52 am

    just 'scribin'

  • 8. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 6:57 am

    Of course you keep the volunteers fed. You have to have people in CHARGE who are in control of their own faculties.

    That melodic undertone to the videos is frightening. It is a classic form of hypnotism. This whole event is just terrifying. If Engle were to ask those kids to go out and find a homosexual and kill him, at this point there are a good number of them who would DO it.

  • 9. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:01 am

    6,000 in the crowd… I like the sounds of that.

  • 10. Ron  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:19 am

    Maybe what needs to be shaken up is their minds. How sad that these freakin fundies just swallow all that "let's hate everyone who isn't Ward and June Cleaver" crap, and behave like a bunch of mindless lemmings! Religion can be the world's biggest brain-drain.

  • 11. Dave in CA  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:25 am

    My idea for a sign: "God Hates Haters"

  • 12. Eden James  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:45 am

    Just updated the abortion polling quote from one of the speakers:

    "… in which a speaker invoked a prayer after citing polling on abortion ("public opinion has shifted [on abortion from] 38% pro-life to 52% pro-life… "I believe that's because of TheCall")."

    If anyone wants to fact-check his numbers, that would be wonderful. I'm drowning in content right now trying to get the next post up later.

    Would a cookie and MILK help, er, sweeten the request? :-)

  • 13. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:52 am

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-

    Hate to say it, but they are not far off… the Gallup poll says 51% are pro-life.

  • 14. Ann S.  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:54 am

    But look how the numbers keep shifting: http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

    If they've been doing this for 10 years, how do they account for the higher pro-life numbers in 07 and 09 than 03?

  • 15. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:56 am

    I believe its from The Pew Research Council: http://people-press.org/report/549/support-for-ab

    They still seem to have conservative leanings, so I guess take it with a grain of salt.

  • 16. Don in Texas  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:59 am

    The unending monotonous prayers are nothing more than words into the winds.

  • 17. Andrew  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:06 am

    I'm sorry, I get wigged out whenever people put their hands up in the air unless it's out of total frustration or waving "hi" to people…

    Maybe it's the free-thinker in me, but something about giving "Palm Power" to a band singing about Jebus is a little creepy to me.

    That said, <palm slap!!!>

  • 18. Don in Texas  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Abortion is a constitutional right, somewhat limited, according to the decision in Roe v. Wade. Constitutional rights do not depend on elections — or Gallup polls.

    “The makers of our Constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness. They recognized the significance of man's spiritual nature, of his feelings and of his intellect. They knew that only a part of the pain, pleasure and satisfactions of life are to be found in material things. They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions and their sensations. They conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone – the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. …” — Justice Louis Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead v. U. S., 277 U. S. 438, 1928

  • 19. Jonathon  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Yeah, me too! And make my fast with extra pepperoni!! LOL :)

  • 20. Jonathon  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:14 am

    And I was just thinking….that by fasting…they are weakening themselves…..which is appararently what the group leaders want….easier to manipulate the flock, right?

  • 21. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:15 am

    But according to the radical "religious" right wing, the right to be left alone only applies to them, and to those who believe EXACTLY the same way they believe.

  • 22. Jonathon  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:16 am

    It's scary….since the more radicalized they become…with talks of holy war….it's frightening, since that sounds an awful alot like the talk of jihad from the muslim extremists.

  • 23. Apricot  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:16 am

    I think the pro-life statistic is very interesting in the sense that two different polls tend to contradict each other. On one end, when asked whether or not Americans call themselves pro-life or pro-choice, many say pro-life.

    However, when asked whether or not abortion should be illegal in all circumstances, only about 22% said yes compared to the 53% that say that it should be legal in some circumstances. Clearly then a number of Americans are still pro-choice on the legality of abortion.

    While that leaves a wide gap in what "some cases" extends to, I think it's clear that the wording of the poll is being taken out of its most likely context in this rally. I think most women [myself included] are personally pro-life in the sense that if they had an unwanted pregnancy, they would be more likely to keep the child rather than abort it, but I don't think those same amount of Americans think its right to use the government to impose their preferences on others – thus making them pro-legal abortion.

    For these reasons, I don't think we're any closer to making abortion illegal in the sense that these folks are implying.

  • 24. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:19 am

    huh….I wonder if fasting is short for fast fooding….? :)

  • 25. Ann S.  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Speaking of pizza, it might be time to throw some ingredients for pizza dough in the breadmaker.

  • 26. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Oh, the fanatical religious right feel it's depriving them of their religious freedom if they are forced to be exposed to anyone who lives by a different set of rules.

  • 27. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Abortion.

    Sure, my relatives are all very much anti-abortion. Well….unless it applies to their own unique situations; like a cousin who's husband left her right after she got pregnant. Yeah, it was in the best interest of the child to terminate that pregnancy. And another cousin who was already overwhelmed with two children and a host of other problems. Yeah, an abortion would be much better, there. (She refused).

    So, sure; these folks are staunchly pro-life and anti-choice…for everyone accept them.

  • 28. Jonathon  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:26 am

    It would seem to me that these polls muddy the waters. If asked if one is pro-life, it's reasonable that someone might say, "yes", generally speaking, but seemingly ok with a women choosing an abortion due to rape or incest. So, with regards to the polls, it depends on how the question is asked. The polls in the link above, specifically about abortion itself, it seems to be overwhelmingly in support of abortions, either freely, or with some additional restrictions.

  • 29. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:26 am

    it's supposed to be a symbol of surrender….to God.

  • 30. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:30 am

    They are working the people into a hypnotic trance. Later this afternoon the people will begin speaking in tongues and 'prophesizing'–these will be attendees, mind you, not the guest 'pray-ers'. And whatever these people say will be considered to be from God.

  • 31. Jonathon  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:34 am

    @Andrew – "Maybe it’s the free-thinker in me, but something about giving “Palm Power” to a band singing about Jebus is a little creepy to me. That said, "

    Too funny! :) I hear ya. A little too "Hile Hitler" (sp?) to me.

  • 32. Dpeck  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Today, there is a nice big article on the front page of the BAY TIMES (San Francisco's OTHER big LGBT newspaper). It includes lots of coverage of the Courage Campaign and Prop 8 Trial Tracker, with details about recent events here including the NOM FAIL Tour coverage and the letter from Peter, Paul & Mary:
    http://www.sfbaytimes.com/?sec=article&articl

    Note that the recent coverage we've been getting in the Bay Times and the Bay Area Reporter (BAR) are not just internet blogs, these are genuine print newspapers that are widely distributed and read here in the SF Bay area.

  • 33. Andrew  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Yes, I know. I don't think "God" is anywhere nearby…

  • 34. Andrew  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Heil, and yeah … doubly so!

  • 35. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:43 am

    I'll take my pizza with lots of cheese and veggies. Have to leave the meat off or it's not kosher.

  • 36. Kevin S.  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:53 am

    They didn't even have the sense to get their volunteers real pizza. If chain pizza isn't proof of Satan, I don't know what is.

    /pizza snob

  • 37. Ann S.  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Right you are, cheese and veggie pizza coming up.

  • 38. Bob  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Dpeck, thanks for some good news, main stream media, read all about it. hope it keeps the readers attention enough to keep it there.

  • 39. Kevin S.  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Huh, and here I was thinking Brit was fucked up long before she and Madonna lashed tongues.

    If they wanted to use her when talking about the destruction of marriage, wouldn't her 55-hour Vegas romp be a more pertinent example?

  • 40. Anna Bryan  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Not true at all. Only 17% of people say that abortion should be illegal under all circumstances. The vast majority of people think that abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances. Many people consider themselves "prolife", but don't believe that means abortion should be illegal..

  • 41. Anna Bryan  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Probably from the effects of being raised by a conservative Christian mother.

  • 42. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhh…..that's supposed to be a secret!

  • 43. Roger  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:02 am

    " Lord, we're asking that everything that can be shaken will be shaken."

    How long before they start claiming that He answered their prayer almost at once? But as usual His aim seems a bit off. After all, how many of these people have ever heard of Christchurch?

  • 44. draNgNon  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:11 am

    http://www.breatharian.com/wileybrooks.html

    look up this guy in google with the phrase "chicken pot pie"

  • 45. Joel  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I have to agree with Don, here. A woman's right to choose has been settled, and is law. It's a done deal, and these people need to live with it.

  • 46. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:29 am

    You mean like this song? I call this the Britney Spears Wedding Song, LOL!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27zNlmRMWU

  • 47. draNgNon  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:34 am

    sorry but I have to rant a little about "pro-life" and these polls.

    it all has to do with what words actually mean. after all, you can still think abortion is morally wrong without thinking that such a moral judgement should be imposed on other people. I'm sure somewhere out there, for example, are people who thing being gay is morally wrong, without being anti-gay-marriage.

    I mean really. TBH I personally don't think very highly of women at all who consider abortion merely another form of birth control. I only know a couple of women who think that way and it appalls me. I am not close friends with them becuase I can't relate to that mind set. why could they not engage in other forms of birth control? that doesn't mean I think they should be prevented from access to abortions by law.

    many friends of mine have had abortions, at various points in my life, which was the right thing to do under the circumstances. these were very difficult decisions for my friends to make, and usually involved consideration of medical and financial circumstances. the aftermath was not easy either; a woman's body doesn't really distinguish, hormonally, between an abortion and a miscarriage. anyone who has a friend who has gone through these events – unwanted pregnancy, evaluation of medical and financial circumstances and/or origin of the baby (i.e. raped), abortion, recovery – should realize that the legality of abortion plays very little role in the decision making.

    anyhow I wander afield. "pro-life", when you take these words at their face value, who isn't?? I like being alive, you don't? then why don't you off yourself right now and save the rest of us some oxygen? it's only the assumed political subtext of "anti-allowing-a-woman-a-safe-and-legal-abortion-when-one-is-necessary" when you see the numbers skew down again.

    it was clever, but very misleading, for anti-abortion forces to take over the term "pro-life".

    I'll leave my comment now, without getting into Terri Schiavo. no, I won't (but I won't rant anymore). Terri Schiavo is another victim of the concept of "pro-life," but a different side of it. and what happened to her is yet another reason access to marriage is important.

    sorry to slide so far off topic.

    I think all these "call" people would be better off, and healthier mentally at burning man.

  • 48. NetAmigo  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:50 am

    My impression of the religious right and the Tea Party is as follows. The Tea Party crowd tends to be a little less religious, drawing somewhat more from libertarians who may or may not find religion attractive. This varies, though, geographically. Thus, some Tea Party chapters may be dominated by the religious right. Interestingly, the religious right lately downplays their antipathy toward illegal immigrants because they believe that they have a mission to minister to illegal immigrants. They feel that they must attenuate their views on illegal immigration to proselytize illegal immigrants effectively. Your typical Tea Party member does not share this tolerance.

  • 49. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 9:53 am

    draNgNon, when you speak of other methods of birth control, that brings up an area in which I have rather strong opinions myself. Why is it that these "men" as they call themselves, want to leave the full responsibility for birth control up to the women? I mean, if a heterosexual man truly loves the woman he is with, shouldn't he be man enough to use condoms? I mean, it's not like they are a rarity! They are everywhere. I am tired of the "men" shirking their responsibilities to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Granted, there are also problems with condoms, especially the risk of breakage, but still! If the man is not ready to become a father, then he should be man enough to do his part. Leaving it all on the woman 's shoulders is immoral, unethical, discriminatory, lazy, disrespectful, and just plain damned wrong!

  • 50. Eden James  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:07 am

    A new post will go up soon and it's a doozy. Stay tuned.

    Meanwhile Arisha has added a few updates to this post. Refresh the page to read them.

  • 51. Kathleen  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Very cool. Is this the article as it appears in the print version?

  • 52. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Great article.

  • 53. Bonobo  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Sacramento Bee has a story also. Doesn't say much and seems to take no sides. It's the comments I find most interesting. Here's the link:
    http://www.sacbee.com/2010/09/04/3005720/thousand

    Also, can someone send them the pizza picture? I think it would add some balance to the article.

  • 54. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Precisely. Fasting and being kept awake for long periods of time (and standing too) and having music and words droned at you, it is all what cults do to brainwash. You can bet that the leaders are not being so deprived. Probably had a very nice dinner, plenty of liquids, and slept in quiet comfort last night.

  • 55. MJFargo  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:51 am

    I hope they consider rendering unto Caesar what is his whlle chewing on that pizza. I'd like to think that this whole event will focus on Californians what is happening to this country. I'm grateful Arisha is there.

  • 56. draNgNon  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:06 am

    I sort of agree too, condoms also prevent spread of many diseases nobody who is not celibate wants to see spread.

    but I think abortion is a decision that is very profound and not to be taken lightly. even when a woman tries to. and thus I think is the fallacy of the religious right. they do consider it something to be taken lightly, which to me speaks volumes about how they regard women and children.

    I know, not the main topic of this blog, but a topic that is tied to it in my head. I have done many clinic defenses back in the day, and the most visible participants at those times were always ACT UP and Lambda Legal. I guess LGBT have more regard for the freedom to take care of and control one's own body, and already understand the consequences of one's sexual actions can sometimes present one with unpleasant decisions.

  • 57. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Kathleen, get your hair done, by a new dress… you're on your way to stardom!

    From the Bay Times:

    Kathleen Perrin, a frequent commenter on the Prop 8 Trial Tracker, was stunned and deeply offended that NOM was using this beautiful folk song to drown out the chants of equality counter-protesters. Perrin said she knew that Woody Guthrie and Peter, Paul & Mary unequivocally supported justice and equality for all. So she contacted Peter Yarrow, one of the performers in the group along with Noel Paul Stookey and Mary Travers (Travers passed away in 2009).

  • 58. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Richard–I agree that birth control is the responsibility of both the woman and the man. And that's exactly what I have told my own children. (I also told my son he should always use his own condoms and not trust the girl's; because some girls 'tamper' with theirs).

    Now, I wasn't telling my kids to run out and have sex; but I was telling them to be smart about their relationships and be prepared.

  • 59. Seraphiel  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Hate to say it, but they are not far off… the Gallup poll says 51% are pro-life.

    But that term doesn't mean much, really. Only that they've managed to get the media to buy into the way they co-opted a word.

    I'm "pro-life" in the sense that I'm opposed to murder in general, and the death penalty, and wars of aggression, etc. But being in favor of life does not blind me to the importance of a person being able to make their own informed medical decisions.

    If all the poll is asking is if someone's "pro-life" it's a stupid, useless poll. They need to be asking if someone is in favor of government intervention in private medical decisions.

  • 60. Seraphiel  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Bonus points to everyone who noticed several classic tools of indoctrination and brainwashing:

    Fasting
    Droning, constant sounds and chanting
    Standing up for long periods of time, with eyes closed and body/arms swaying

    Something I've wondered: if fasting for half a day isn't working to save the country, maybe they should try a little longer. How about a few weeks? A month? Then, surely, their deity would reward their devotion.

  • 61. Dpeck  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Hi Kathleen,

    Yup, it appears to be the same article I read this morning in the print version, word for word. In the print version, it starts on page one of the paper.

    The on-line versions of these articles don't seem to have quite the same impact as the print versions, IMO. There's just something really satisfying about sitting at a sidewalk table at my favorite coffee place and reading about Kathleen and all of us in the Saturday morning paper. And then looking around and seeing all the other people who are reading the same paper : )

  • 62. Kathleen  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Way cool. My name in an article in the SF Bay Times! Reminds me of the day my son's name appeared on Logo (as director of a music video) – told him I'd come to terms with the fact he was straight, but as least his name was on a glbt TV station! :)

  • 63. Tracy  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:58 am

    I think it is unfortunate that God and homosexual civil rights have to be at odds. I have heart disease – I was diagnosed at 23, and my savior was God. I do not believe there was anyone else who saved my life but Him. That having been said … although I am straight … I will honor NO GOD who condemns homosexuality, race, or any other natural anomaly that he created. I listen to these people condemn homosexuals, abortion, and all kinds of things, and I think to myself — have they faced death? Do they know what it means to face eternity? I do — I have looked death in the face, when my heart nearly failed, and I learned that we are made by our life experiences. That includes homosexuality — the truth is… we are on this earth to seek God — and God is love, no more, no less. Love is gender-blind, and any other gender-based construct is an artifact of human prejudice. May God save the loving couples — homo or hetero – sexual — that exemplify his ideal.

  • 64. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Right along the lines I was thinking, Apricot. I might consider abortion wrong in most instances (and am very happy that I've not been in the situation of considering abortion); However, I am not the judge and jury and feel that every woman has the right to choose. The abortion issue keeps me a democrat. My mother went to her grave believing that one of her sisters died due to a self-induced abortion (before abortion was legal). I saw a movie when I was around 10 that very much impacted me about abortion. Every woman deserves a safe abortion, not just those who can afford to go to another country.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 65. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    And, draNgNon, something else that shows just how disposable they think women and children are is there demand that the only sex education in the schools that is right is the abstinence only sex education. This also shows just how far up their rectal cavities their cranial compartments are. From what I have read of the tracking that has been done, the areas with the lowest teen pregnancy rates are those areas with comprehensive sex education that includes telling the kids what the potential dangers of unprotected sex are, and the consequences of giving in to peer pressure. yes, I know that some kids are still going to be sexually active, but when their parents refuse to do their duty and explain the consequences of unprotected sex and giving in to peer pressure, then it is up to the schools to do that. And I don't want our children being deprived of the information they need in order to make the choices that are right for them. And abstinence only courses don't do that–not by a long shot. To me, abstinence only sex education is just one more form of child abuse and torture.

  • 66. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Tracy, thank you, and welcome to the P8TT family! You have a very Jewish vision of HaShem, and while you may have a medical diagnosis of heart disease, your real heart is working just fine. Here, pull up a chair, enjoy some cookies and Milk, and even some fresh-baked challah. And don't forget about the sing-a-long that is likely to occur at any time. We just love spreading happiness and joy here, and it seems as though the more of it we share, the more of it there is to share.

  • 67. Carpool Cookie  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    You also become kind of elated when you're starving. I think it's because adrenelin kicks in as a replacement fuel…as your body has no real food to burn?

  • 68. Lora  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Excellent! I love it!

  • 69. Winski  |  September 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    This nut-bag is absolutely and positively certifiable, grade-a scum… Sorry, but I grew up around people like her and they're fake as the sun coming up in the west.

    Folks like her continually try to make other folks believe she is the ONLY one with any brain cells left that are functioning, therefore you should listen and follow her blindly. Unfortunately, there are some folks that fall for this scam over and over and over.. sucker born everyday…

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