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NOM speaker scandal: Pastor compared gays to alcoholics, adulterers, pedophiles and more

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(Cross-posted with permission from Good As You. Note that while Pastor Brad Brandon did speak at the NOM rally today, the comments highlighted in this post were made during a rally earlier this year as well as on his “Word of Truth” radio show. Listen to the audio links below.)

By Jeremy Hooper

brad-brandonEarlier this year, Minnesota Pastor Brad Brandon told a group of “traditional marriage” supporters that gay activists are teaching kids how to flog their logs:

Brandon, a young pastor from the Hastings area, was among several dozen people who showed up for the rally on Thursday afternoon. He fired up the crowd by saying that homosexuals teach kids to masturbate.



He said he was at the Capitol a few weeks ago. “A group of homosexuals were here and they were teaching a group of high school students that masturbation was okay right here in this rotunda! This must stop!

He added, “We are the last stand.”

Pastor says Minnesota gays teach kids how to masturbate [The Colu.mn]

Now today, this same Mr. Brandon is helping NOM get its own rocks off in St. Paul, joining in on the organization’s latest marriage tour stop:

Saint Paul, Minnesota
Summer for Marriage Tour Stop:
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 from 12:00pm – 1:00pm
Minnesota State Capitol
St. Paul, MN 55155

Speakers:
Brian Brown, President, National Organization for Marriage
Bishop Bob Battle, Senior Pastor of Berean Church of God in Christ
Chuck Darrell, Director of Communications, Minnesota Family Council
Father Mike Becker, Archdiocese of Minneapolis St. Paul
Pastor Brad Brandon, KKMS Radio
Pastor Sam Crabtree, Bethlehem Baptist Church

Saint Paul, Minnesota [NOM]

“Gays want your kids to Pat the Robertson”: It’s all just more unsubstantiated silliness from the epic FAIL known as the NOM tour.

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*MAJOR UPDATE: Explosive Brad Brandon audio:

Clip 1: Comparing gays to alcoholics:

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*AUDIO SOURCE: Word of Truth Radio — 8/15/09

Clip 2: Directly likening gay people to adulterers and pedophiles:

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*AUDIO SOURCE: Word of Truth Radio — 8/15/09

Clip 3: Gays are indoctrinating with Dora and Bob The Builder, thanks to guiding influence from folks like Satan and Hitler:

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*AUDIO SOURCE: Word of Truth Radio — 8/15/09

Clip 4: Just like some of NOM’s past speakers, Brandon is also into the “gays can change” idea:

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*AUDIO SOURCE: Word of Truth Radio — 8/15/09

UPDATE BY EDEN: NOM is proud of their association with Brad Brandon, of course. That’s why they posted this picture and quote on their web site today.

But just in case their site gets scrubbed later (Hi Louis!), here’s a screen grab so Brandon’s NOM speech doesn’t go down the memory hole:

NOMTourTracker.com: Brad Brandon on NOM site

UPDATE BY EDEN: Andy Kelley, our New Media Organizer, just sent a tweet to retweet if you’ve got a Twitter handle. Just click here to auto-tweet it from your account:

RT @EqualityOnTrial #NOMTour pastor compares gays to alcoholics, adulterers & pedophiles http://bit.ly/9Ive0D via @GoodAsYou #lgbt

UPDATE BY EDEN: A few folks in the comments have posted Rob Tisinai’s brilliant video that sets the record straight on the outrageous “pedophilia” comparisons spread by Pastors like Brad Brandon:

UPDATE BY EDEN: So, will NOM condemn the previous statements made by Pastor Brad Brandon? Or is NOM more than happy to provide a (prominent?) platform for this virulent strain of bigotry?

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127 Comments

  • 1. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Supraventricularscripting

  • 2. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:08 am

    BusScribing

  • 3. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Well, I feel cheated. I had to teach myself to masturbate. Where were all the gays when I needed them?

  • 4. Dan Hess  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Ha, I feel ya. ^_^

  • 5. l8r_g8r  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Interesting how they keep claiming the truth is so important, yet they continue to tell lies and half-truths to manipulate folks into believing what they say. With the Prop 8 and Prop 1 campaigns, they knew that there was no reason to so closely link same-sex marriage with teaching children "Gay is Okay!" But they intentionally distorted the truth to make all the moms on the bus/train in the morning traveling to work so worried that suddenly, out of nowhere, teachers were going to put down the math books and start teaching all about the gays. They knew what their message was trying to make people believe and they knew it would be effective at eliminating rights.

    This hypocrisy makes me sick to my stomach.

  • 6. l8r_g8r  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Forgot to subscribe.

  • 7. nightshayde  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:14 am

    They were teaching the boys, Kathleen. Nice girls don't do that kind of thing.

    *runsawaygiggling*

  • 8. Sean  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:14 am

    I know, right? And self-teaching is such a messy process…

  • 9. B&E  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:15 am

    I bet this guy blows the alter boys in his church.

  • 10. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:16 am

    I just want to go wash out my ears right now.

    Does this go to animus, do you think? And he is more dangerous than Larry with the sign, because he has a wider audience.

    On the plus side, my three month old kitten has come up and is licking my ear. I feel much better now.

  • 11. Sean  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Can I borrow your kitten? My blood pressure could use some lowering.

  • 12. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Hmmm…. Dan Hess is feeling Kathleen. Is love in the air? Stay tuned!
    :P

  • 13. Dave in Maine  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Mee four!

  • 14. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Could you set up those audio links to open in a new window?

    And…that guy is nuts.

  • 15. ChrisQ  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:19 am

    So when can we have NOM declared a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center? I mean this is ridiculous. Who's their next speaker – Linda Harvey?

    Oh – and hello to you and thanks so very much for the hard work covering this fiasco (and all the other hard work you do.)

    Oh – and Hi Louis.

  • 16. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:19 am

    When I've been exposed to too much of this, I go to YouTube and watch videos of baby otters. :)

  • 17. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:19 am

    He said he was at the Capitol a few weeks ago. “A group of homosexuals were here and they were teaching a group of high school students that masturbation was okay right here in this rotunda! This must stop!

    Why do I somehow doubt that homosexuals were saying "Hey, kids! Masturbate right here in this rotunda! Its OK!"?

  • 18. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Where'd you get the idea Kathleen was a nice girl?

    Just kidding @ Kathleen!

  • 19. Dick Mills  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:20 am

    And, they compare us to pedophiles so that they can deflect the blame for all of those kid-fucking priests off onto us. I seriously doubt that they are getting any traction with that, but the purpose is undeniable. Fact is that 98% of pedophiles are straight, including straight-celibate priests.

  • 20. Sean  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Because you're a logical person with a working brain unhindered by unexplainable fear and hatred?

  • 21. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:22 am

    <—— passes the kitten around to all. The kitten purrs and merps and licks the face of anyone who wants it.

  • 22. Dick Mills  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Well Da'uh! That's because the truth doesn't benefit their agenda.

  • 23. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:26 am

    I KNEW it was something like that. Thanks!

  • 24. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Yeah. I've done a lots of things "nice girls" don't do and most of them have been pretty damned fun. :)

  • 25. Alan E.  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:32 am

    And here I thought hate wasn't a marriage value.

  • 26. l8r_g8r  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:34 am

    That is because they have been taught by liars and manipulators of the truth that being a pedophile toward an individual of the same sex is the same thing as being gay. At minimum, they are so sadly mistaken as to be considered foolish.

    Pedophiles identify as heterosexual to the outside world and either have intercourse with grownups of the opposite sex or don't have intercourse with grownups at all. They simply like the power trip of abusing little children. Pedophiles typically (according to studies by the APA) don't care about the gender of the victim and abuse based upon opportunity. The fact is, men simply have a lot of unfettered access to young boys and so men abuse young boys.

    And what's so disgusting is when people try to make an analogy of consensual relationships between two adult men (with facial and *ahem* other hair and all of the other effects of puberty) and relationships (if you can call it that) between an adult and an undeveloped child. The analogy doesn't make logical or emotional sense.

    What they refuse to acknowledge is that it is not the openly gay man who is abusing young boys. So even if it were remotely possible to equate same-sex pedophilia [gag] with homosexuality, it would absolutely not be the openly (read, out, read, fighting for marriage equality) men who were committing such heinous acts.

  • 27. truthspew  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Ahem, the better part of Pastor Brandon ran down his mothers leg.

    As far as being 'taught' to masturbate um, figured that one out for myself when I was younger.

  • 28. Alan E.  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:38 am

    At least the first time is quite the surprise!

  • 29. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Once again, twisting things to make them even more fearful and easier to turn people rabid over.

  • 30. l8r_g8r  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:39 am

    The last part of my so eloquently written message should have read the "openly gay men"

  • 31. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Not that anyone doubted it, but further proof that Brian and Louis are reading up over here… (Hi Brian, Hi Louis!)

    That charming comment I told you about yesterday on the NOM blog from Your A Pathetic Group Of Humans has disappeared entirely. Since it had been through moderation to even GET posted, and didn't get REMOVED till after we discussed it… well, draw your own conclusions folks.

    But I suppose if dissecting their motives over here is the ONLY way we can get them to behave themselves… it'll do. LOL

  • 32. Sagesse  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Louis, Larry, Brad Brandon

    NOM is rebranding itself, and the Southern Poverty Law Centre should take note.

  • 33. rf  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Perhaps its time for Rob Tisinai's wonderful video again…

    [youtube

    34. nightshayde  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:46 am

    You and me both, Sista! :D

  • 35. Felyx  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:47 am

    We all have our woes Kathleen. There was a gorgeous young bisexual priest when I was a teenage alter boy who would hardly ever touch me!

    Life is cruel and full of irony!

    Felyx

    (He was a self admitted bisexual for those of you who wonder!)

  • 36. l8r_g8r  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Hope this works:

    [youtube

    37. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Does anyone have any idea what he's ranting about wrt the commercials on Dora, etc.? What websites with the homo agenda are children being directed to?

    I went here and the only agenda I could find being promoted was capitalism: http://www.nickjr.com/dora-the-explorer/

  • 38. l8r_g8r  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Looks like we were thinking the same thing, but you beat me to it.

  • 39. Mark M  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Thank you…I needed some kitty love after that crap!

  • 40. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Supra-calafragilistic-expiali-scribing

    (Hi Louis!)

  • 41. rf  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:53 am

    You spent too much time having an original thought. I went straight for the pre-taped package. ;-}

  • 42. Jeremy  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:54 am

    @ MarkM (Seattle) I tried to post this earlier wrt your concern of NO(s)M being equated to "All Christians" and how it was unfair & made you feel down. I totally understand how it comes across, and how it can make you blue. Just as I know how hearing/seeing/knowing about "men of G_d" who say/think/feel these types of things. Sometimes it's hard to, emotionally, separate the NO(s)M version of "G_d's word" & "hate is not a family value" from what the rest of the christian world says/thinks/feels/believes. It is in those "knee jerk" reflexive reactions to the clear vitrolic animus of the NO(s)M that, sadly, we forget our xristian siblings & supporters. We do it, I suspect, not to attack nor belittle you; more like … We're simply vomitting from the vileness we've (visually) "injested."

    Hope that my perspective makes you feel a little less blue.

    <3 jeremy

  • 43. Ronnie  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Alan E….the first time was more then quite a surprise for me….I was literally blown away….. ; )

    <3…Ronnie

  • 44. Felyx  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:56 am

    You rock K!

  • 45. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:56 am

    There is no websites. He actually made all of that up. He has never released what the website is/was…

  • 46. nightshayde  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:57 am

    I can't remember where (so I guess I'm not being all that useful), but I remember hearing some blow-hard complaining that Dora is clearly a lesbian & that Nickelodeon is trying to brainwash the children into thinking gay is OK.

    I guess it's this generation's "Tinky Winky" or something.

  • 47. AndrewPDX  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:02 am

    LOL… JonT beat me to my comment

    Love,
    Andrew

  • 48. nightshayde  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:04 am

    I just Googled "Dora the Explorer lesbian" and found this:
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Ameri

    Interestingly enough, links from that site to other sites are blocked here at work.

  • 49. Jeremy  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:04 am

    @Kathleen there's a radio "personalitý" here in the LA basin who thinks, and mouth's off on air, that Dora is obscene. He thinks that teaching kids to toss the salad & gushing volcanos have, or I should say ARE being used as, pornographic euphamisims which really only tells me where HIS mind is.

    Just my $0.02 on the subject.

    <3 jeremy

  • 50. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Wow. Poe's Law in action.

  • 51. eDee  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:11 am

    {{homosexuals teach kids to masturbate}}
    This is something that has to be taught?!?! LMAO
    Let's have a show of hands, who here didn't figure it out them self?

    I don’t see how a Pastor comparing gays to alcoholics, adulterers, and pedophiles is anything new. They’ve been doing that for years. It’s wrong, dead wrong, but I don’t think they would consider it a scandal – they consider it dead on. I’m sure they are quite pleased you have posted it here, now you can hear their message, they hope it’s going to change you – all of us. We’re not dealing with higher life forms here. Look at his forehead – I don’t want to attack the guy personally, but Brian Brown resembles a caveman as does his thinking.

    Hate is the NOM's only agenda, I'm sure they are quite happy we have their message posted here.

  • 52. Sagesse  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Hmmmm. This tour was Louis's idea and plan, before he joined forces with NOM. Wonder if he's in charge of booking the acts for this freak show.

  • 53. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Haha… I figured it out by.. accident actually :) Nobody had to teach me anything :)

    It was like: "Oh wow! So that's how it works!" :)

  • 54. Ray in MA  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:16 am

    I see lotza new people here… Welcome to our Center of the Universe! (the PP8T NOM Nut Cracker…many of you heard that term of endearment before).

    OK, I'm weak, I couldn't stomach to listen to that garbage…I've heard it all before.

    Let's all just hang in there, stand up for what you believe, and look to the day that this will all be recognized as a sad part of human history.

    I hope I can still afford internet access when I'm THAT old.

  • 55. eDee  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:18 am

    OH I LOVE THIS VIDEO!!!
    Thank you, I'm 'sharing' it on facebook now.

  • 56. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Something else sort of interesting…

    Yesterday afternoon, not too long after their event, there was a self congratulatory post trumpeting "Brian is back!" on the NOM blog, followed by Maggie writing about how the masses that showed up to protest were all kids who just didn't know anything.

    It is now HOURS after their most successful rally to date (number wise) and there is nothing. Some post about a NH republican, but not a word about today's event. Hm.

    I guess if we don't shout at them down loudly enough, they have nothing to write about???

  • 57. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:23 am

    They're probably finding lots to say in their secret online klan meetings blogs.

  • 58. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:25 am

    ANY time… he is a very cuddly kitten!

  • 59. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Oh, give them time. They will need to pour through the video, pictures and/or audio. Maybe they'll see another Gay Attack Dog (TM), or someone approaching a NOMos kid offering a hug, or something.

    Sometimes it takes a little work to craft imagined opression or 'scary gay stuff'.

    I'm sure they'll come through with something pitiful in time :)

  • 60. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:32 am

    This guy is far more worrisome than Larry "hang the homosexuals" Adams. Brandon has an audience, he's got influence. Larry is just pathetic, misguided, and clearly gay or bisexual himself. Of course, Brandon is due for a rentboy scandal any day now.

    KKMS…infested with bigots and creationists, no surprise there.

  • 61. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Haha, I go to the Daily Squee:
    http://dailysquee.com/2010/07/26/cute-baby-animal
    :)

  • 62. Em  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Unfortunately the pedophilia thing is still one of the most prevalent misconceptions about people with non-hetero orientations. The "logic" on their part stems from the assumption among the less condemning people that "it isn't our fault, we were molested as children" and thus follows the (also incorrect) assumption that molested children grow up to be child molesters 100% of the time.

    I've been wracking my brains for years trying to figure out how to counter this belief, but it's hard to prove points to people who have the ability to completely ignore hard statistics. It's incredibly frustrating.

  • 63. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Okay. That works, too. :)

  • 64. Ray in MA  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:39 am

    A friend in South Africa just offered me this "World perspective"…

    "Awaiting a Full Embrace of Same-Sex Weddings" in South Africa
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/world/africa/28

    Our "Center of the Universe" is shared across our planet.

  • 65. Bolt  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Sorry, but patience doesn't exist here anymore. Is anyone bored listening to these self righteous assholes? This is what stands in our way of legal marriage equality?

    We must sue for our marriage rights, and benefits. Legal equality is way more powerful than "tolerant" opinions. Let the haters hate, but we deserve equal protection under the law!

  • 66. Marlene  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Don't forget, kiddies that uber-righteous people like Pastor Brandon is permanently exempt from the Eighth Commandment (Ninth for the Catholics) which required Christians to not bear false witness.

  • 67. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I think it comes down to the fact that they can never accept that being gay is not a choice. If it is not a choice, then their hatred (and their fundamentalist beliefs) are clearly in error.

    Since being gay *must* be a choice, then the only way to get more gay people is to 'recruit', since we cannot 'procreate' in their view.

    Of course us LGBT people see how obviously ridiculous this is, but that's the line they have to tow in order to remain consistent in their world-view.

    I’ve been wracking my brains for years trying to figure out how to counter this belief, but it’s hard to prove points to people who have the ability to completely ignore hard statistics. It’s incredibly frustrating.

    Me too. To use an old cliche – it's like trying to describe a color to a blind person.

    Maybe like trying to describe what's it's like being discriminated against because of your skin color to someone who has never experienced it.

    At least, when faced with such a dilemma, I will attempt to understand the other's point-of-view – they seem to be incapable of this.

  • 68. Papa Foma  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Sidetrack —
    Felyx will have outpatient (but under general anesthesia) surgery tomorrow. He doesn't like sentimental stuff – but as members of the P8TT family, I thought you ought to know.
    Papa Foma

  • 69. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks, Papa, we will be thinking of him!

  • 70. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    We'll be thinking of him!

  • 71. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Thank you for letting us know. I will be thinking of him.

  • 72. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Ok – hoping things go well. Had that 2 years ago on my knee. First time – scared the crap out of me, but not too bad when it was over. :)

    Let us know how it goes!

  • 73. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    I'm not crazy about general anesthesia. I opted to have my knee done with a massive local, so I could watch the operation on the monitor and ask the surgeon questions while he was doing the procedure.

  • 74. Ronnie  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Ditto, Ditto, & Ditto….<3…Ronnie

  • 75. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    And please keep us posted.

  • 76. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    @Kathleen:

    Oh I was too scared to even think about watching it. Had no idea what would be done (cause at the time the surgeons didn't really know what was really wrong – MRI didn't show the problem).

    It (the general) was like a light switch. I got wheeled into the operating room, and the surgeon asks "What do you do for a living?". I'm scared as hell, and I'm like "Well I write drivers for video card-" boom. I'm 'turned off' like a light.

    I had absolutely no desire to watch the operation on locals :)

    There were certain… side effects afterwards, but nothing too serious, and only lasted a few days. Was really glad to wake up in post-op with it 'all done' :)

    :)

  • 77. Kathleen  |  July 28, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    @JonT, Then I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in seeing the DVD of my surgery? hehe. Seriously, when I went in for my follow-up, they handed me a copy of all my records, which includes a DVD of the entire procedure. My surgeon was the "knee guy" for the U.S Soccer Team, so he's used to dealing with athletes who want to know everything. I'm clearly no athlete, but he treats all his patients the same – full information, unless you choose otherwise.

    Yes, Papa, Please keep us posted!

  • 78. Alan E.  |  July 28, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Would someone from the Courage Campaign or another service please ask the NOM folks exactly which rights they think LGBT people should be afforded? Where do they draw the line? The speak of just marriage right now, and we all know it is much more than that, but try to find out where they draw the line.

  • 79. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 28, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Don't you know, Alan? Everyone is straight, you guys are choosing to be deviant. Stop all that gayness, and you'll have the same rights as everyone else!

    (Is this what it feels like to be a NOMbie?)

  • 80. Roger  |  July 28, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    "Standing for the truth is not always easy but it's always right."

    I guess that means they prefer easy to right.

  • 81. Mark M  |  July 28, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    That's very sweet Jeremy…and normally I know all of that is true but for some reason today it was just hard to get past it.

    Big Hugs
    Mark

  • 82. StraightForEquality  |  July 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Subscribing (a bit late).

  • 83. Mark M  |  July 28, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    'Let’s have a show of hands, who here didn’t figure it out them self? '

    Ummm…do I have to raise both hands????

    LOL

  • 84. Mark M  |  July 28, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Thanks for the info Papa…will put him in my prayers

  • 85. Mark M  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    No SA, just saying it isn't enough you have to believe it yourself OR find a way to make money getting other people to believe it…… THAN you're a NOMbie LOL

  • 86. Dave in CA  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I have always wanted to ask a variation on that same question, and it would go more like this:

    Which of the 1,100+ federal rights and protections that you get for your family, do you think should be denied to my family? Which ones are reserved only for straight people?

    In other words, I want to have them clarify not the ones that they might deign to share with me (if any), but which ones are exclusive to them and them only?

  • 87. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Larry's sign said it quite clearly Alan. They want us all dead.

  • 88. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    @Kathleen: your assessment is correct :)

    If you check out the gallery link I sent you – you'll see a pic of the damage. Feel free to do the same – but really, while I admire the people who can do such things – not sure I really want to see them :)

    And Felyx (or Kirille in his place), I expect a full report post-haste! :)

  • 89. Anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    @Kathleen

    Me too! The local plus whatever else they gave me made me about 3 drinks drunk, and my doctor and I had a fabulous time through the whole thing. I kept pointing out bits he had missed. In the end, he said he was going to have to pay ME a consultants fee for the work I had done during surgery.

  • 90. Steve  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    You'll find some of these people say that it's just about the concept of marriage and that they are fine with civil unions. But then you have morons like the governor of Hawaii vetoing a CU bill because "it's marriage in all but name". It's impossible to get it right in their eyes.

    And that still ignores the travesty that is DOMA.

  • 91. Jeremy  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    OMG! Love that! G'night.

  • 92. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Sadly Richard, you are probably right. :( Only what-his-face had the 'courage' to actually say it outright.

    Yeah, forgive the scare quotes around 'courage', but at least, unlike the NOMos, he's being honest.

    I can deal with that.

  • 93. JonT  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    @Steve: Yes – they are fine with the civil union thing, unless it actually passes hehe.

    'It’s impossible to get it right in their eyes.'

    Which is why it's no longer worthwhile trying for anything less than full marriage equality.

    That's what we need.

  • 94. Bryan  |  July 28, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Reminds me of mine XP I honest-to-goodness had an itch, happened completely by accident.

    And besides, their argument would hold slightly (not much but slightly) more weight if this were like.. 8th graders they were talking about, or 4th graders, but HIGH SCHOOLERS? I know there's some wicked repression going on in some places but to have not gotten your rocks off once before 9th grade? Um… Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Larry the Cable Guy

    Larry: *sings* Bluueeee baaallls… blueeee balllls……

  • 95. Franck  |  July 28, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Hey guys, mentioning Madison, WI again here. I don't know if anyone saw this before, but twenty members of the Dane County Board of Supervisors sent Obama and Wisconsin's entire Congressional Delegation a letter strongly urging them to support UAFA and ENDA as well as to repeal DOMA and DADT.

    Combined with the fact that more and more cities are coming out in support of UAFA, reading about that was a nice way for me to start the day!

    On another topic, a writing project of mine involved one of the characters reciting marriage vows. I just realized I'd put in his mouth the same exact words I intend to say when given the occasion. It's definitely not the best piece of writing, but I could share them here if anyone's interested.

    – Franck P. Rabeson
    Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1133 days, as of today.

  • 96. Brad Larsen  |  July 28, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Hi All – Just a personal plug for my dissertation research on fatherhood and gay male couples. Please take a look at the study website and pass on to others you know! http://www.seekingfatherhoodstudy.com.

    Thank you!

    Brad Larsen, M.S.

  • 97. Sagesse  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    It would be really great if the local MN press would pick up on this. Surely they must know this person.

  • 98. CGS  |  July 28, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    I went to NOM's website to see how they're spinning this, and they have this crazy video accusing marriage equality protestors of violence and intimidation at some rallies. They actually claim that people came "armed" with "balloons and umbrellas." It's the gays! Armed with balloons! Run!
    http://nomblog.com/1256/comment-page-1/#comment-1

  • 99. Gina  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    I saw that one too. My first thought was that the speaker was a computer generated voice. Did you get? Like they can't even find a real person willing to put themselves out there for such nonsense.

  • 100. anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    And it was eloquent, too… even with that little mistake. Thanks!

  • 101. anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Please do share! I love to hear what people write for wedding vows, it is a good antidote to "You can't marry! Only WE can marry!" and other, much worse nonsense we hear all day long.

  • 102. anonygrl  |  July 28, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    You want an enormous laugh? Read the 5 comments from "different" NOM supporters.

    I am a writer, among other things. I know how to write dialogue so that all the characters do not have the EXACT same voice. Apparently whoever at NOM was faking those 5 comments has had little or no training, as they were, it is painfully obvious, all written by the same person.

    And we have been on to the idea that they are not really looking fo support on this tour, that their aim is to find ways to incite US to violence (which we know they have not done). Nowhere is this more clear than when the day after their BIGGEST SUCCESS ON THE TOUR they come out with this nonsense, rather than tooting their own horns about how great things went. If they were really there to do what they say, THAT would have been their thrust on a day where they got their biggest crowd, and where the protesters, ACCORDING TO THEM, were "well behaved".

    Honestly, I do hope they find some reason to put up a legal fight with us. All we would have to do is ask the judge to read OUR comments, and whatever he could find left of theirs after their editing.

    By the way, the whole entry with the "that baby is not really their baby" bit did not make it through to Louis' new blog. Anyone shocked by this? Ferris? Ferris?

  • 103. Sagesse  |  July 29, 2010 at 12:00 am

    "By the way, the whole entry with the “that baby is not really their baby” bit did not make it through to Louis’ new blog. Anyone shocked by this? Ferris? Ferris?"

    Alas, it did. It is in this post
    http://www.oneman-onewoman.org/2010/07/columbus-g

    They're still a very nice looking family.

  • 104. MJFargo  |  July 29, 2010 at 12:15 am

    One of the reasons the Prop 8 trial was so lopsided: The defendants (actually their legal team) are smart enough to know they can't trot out their true reasons for opposing same sex marriage. While Dr. Tam was placed on the stand, he kinda forgot how he really felt and why he was really involved in all of this, and the defense did their darndest to keep all of their crazy (and I do mean crazy) reasons for same sex marriage. It boils down to simple hate. And most of that is born out of stubborn ignorance and projection. The people standing up and opposing the NOM Tour are true Americans and blessed by God in their enlightenment (and least the God I worship). Keep after 'em.

  • 105. toth  |  July 29, 2010 at 12:16 am

    I'm not sure this qualifies as a "scandal" particularly–it seems pretty much par for the course for NOM and their ilk. Is anyone actually surprised that this godbot said these things?

    Also, "teaching teens how to masturbate" is somewhat different from "teaching teens that it's okay to masturbate".

  • 106. anonygrl  |  July 29, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Oh, there it is… I looked last night and did not see it.

    They are a lovely looking family, it is true.

  • 107. Franck  |  July 29, 2010 at 12:36 am

    There you go then :

    "We are but two beings who found each other, two leaves brought together by the winds. I cannot say where they will lead us and or what we will have to face in the future, but with this pledge I promise to do everything within my own strength to stay by your side, through fortune good and bad, through trials and joys, through grieving and happiness.

    With this pledge we take, let the world know that, from now on and for as long as we love each other, we will be one and inseparable, two halves of the same being. Let no one stand between us but ourselves, and may our love endure, now and always."

    These vows, pronounced by two lovers whom events and prejudices kept apart from each other until one of them was about to die, have been one of the very reasons why I wrote the story to begin with. As I said, these words are nowhere as good as I intended them, but they are the closest I can find to expressing my own feelings. Yes, I did put a lot of my own hopes and fears in that one story…

    – Franck P. Rabeson
    Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1133 days, as of today.

  • 108. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 29, 2010 at 12:57 am

    OT: LGBT Pride event planned in September for St. Cloud

    …The conflict is spilling over into St. Cloud this Thursday, when the National Organization for Marriage is making St. Cloud its sixth stop on a national summer tour against gay marriage. A NOM rally at Granite City Baptist Church will be answered by protesters from the opposite faction, Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, who will gather at Wilson Park on the same day.

    “It’s a hot topic right now,” said Bradley Kaffar from the Central Minnesota GAB Group, an organization for the LGBT community of St. Cloud. “I think it might have something to do with the election year.”

    Read Full Article Here: http://www.sctimes.com/article/20100725/NEWS01/10

  • 109. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 29, 2010 at 1:00 am

    OT: Video Interview with Freedom to Marry's Evan Wolfson
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo3SmQ9RwYw

  • 110. Alan E.  |  July 29, 2010 at 1:13 am

    So I just had an idea, but it would take a lot of pondering from those involved to see if they would really want to follow through with it. What if two people actually got married at the Iowa stop? It would be legally recognized, and you may need to get a permit, but what a great way to counter protest the NOM group!

  • 111. Franck  |  July 29, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Argh, I know a couple who intends to get married in Iowa, but their plans call for next year at best… too bad. This is actually an interesting idea, though I don't know if it is a wise or a bad one. It would make for a very nice and quite powerful symbol, though.

    – Franck P. Rabeson
    Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1133 days, as of today.

  • 112. Chris  |  July 29, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Part of me thinks that having these insane people hop on the NOM bandwagon is a good thing, because they'll discredit the anti-marriage movement with their lunacy. And part of me is worrying that a lot of people are really stupid enough to believe their scare tactics.

    The crowning glory would be if Lord Phelpsemort himself showed up. Wonder what NOM would do about him.

    In the meantime, I thought you all might appreciate this, as it seems to be exactly how these guys operate. (The short round-headed guy is a recurring character – he's a fundamentalist christian whose addled enthusiasm is a running joke in the strip.)

  • 113. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 29, 2010 at 2:14 am

    He looks a lot like BB and Louis, doesn't he?

  • 114. Chris  |  July 29, 2010 at 3:16 am

    Sounds like them too.

  • 115. Kathleen  |  July 29, 2010 at 4:07 am

    My first thought when I heard that voice was that she reminded me of Betty Bowers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lJWIPkxBZE

  • 116. Kathleen  |  July 29, 2010 at 4:10 am

    Didn't mean to embed; just wanted to post a link. Oh well. BTW, that's not my favorite Betty Bowers video; it's just the one where the tone of her voice most reminded me of the NOM voiceover.

  • 117. Mouse  |  July 29, 2010 at 4:52 am

    I find it ironic that a pastor uses those comparisons, but then you see in others what you fear in yourself.

    How many depressed clergy drink a little too much of the "blood of Christ"? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_n2

    How many repressed clergy are pedophiles? http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_of_the_

    How many clergy use cartoons or whatever media is available to indoctrinate children into their alternative religious lifestyle choice?

  • 118. Nick wolf  |  July 29, 2010 at 5:27 am

    Oh ya cause there's no pastors that are pedofiles, are there -_-

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