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NOM turnout FAIL in New Jersey (again): How will Brian Brown spin this one?

NOM Tour Tracker Right-wing

By Eden James

Wow. How is Brian Brown going to spin this one?

Check out this NOM picture from their rally in Trenton. Look familiar? Yep, it’s almost a carbon copy of the first four events on NOM’s “Summer for Marriage: One Man, One Woman” tour. By Arisha’s hand-count, 48 NOM supporters showed up (including numerous NOM staffers, of course):

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Now look what Garden State Equality did at the same time today, turning out 158 supporters (Arisha’s hand-count; pictures at this link) to a town hall in Trenton nearby.

So, is NOM a paper tiger? It’s been debated before. And, after NOM’s embarrassing turnout in Augusta, Manchester, Albany and Providence — in which equality supporters outnumbered NOM supporters — the debate may start raging again.

One thing is for sure. Brian Brown will hype the numbers to the press, as Jeremy Hooper cross-posted on this blog the other day. We’ll see what the media reports and cross-check it with our hand-count.

This JUST in from our team on the ground in Trenton, led by Arisha along with Anthony Ash and Jethro Rothe-Kushel:

By Arisha Michelle Hatch

The NOM rally in Trenton was so under-attended and so uneventful that Brian Brown decided to focus on the events in Rhode Island a few days prior during his opening remarks to the crowd.

“As we saw in Providence, some wish to silence us,” Brown began. “What we saw in Providence was something I’ve never seen before – protestors storming the stage, attempting to shout us down.”

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“We’re not asking you to sign up, we’re asking you to stand up,” continued Brown.

A member of NOM’s staff passed out handmade signs saying “one man, one woman” to a youth church group that made up the bulk of the rally’s attendees (that she later took back). There were no chants, no loud cheers – just the sound of the few speakers that Brian Brown assembled giving all of the usual sound bytes. Compared to Providence, the atmosphere was very subdued, although there was a strong media presence (many of whom were at the Garden State Equality townhall).

Most random NOM quote of the day:

“Healthcare and welfaregovernment programs are leading people away from marriage,” stated one speaker.

Favorite NOM supporter interaction of the day:

Today, I made a new NOM tour friend. Lewis is his name (see picture to the right). Lewis has been given the unenviable task of following us around while we interview NOM supporters (UPDATE/NOTE: in the comments, there is speculation that “Lewis” is Louis Marinelli, a blogger who has been covering the tour for NOM). He then debriefs them on our “agenda.” ‘

After 40 awkward minutes, I finally walked over to him and introduced myself. We had the following exchange:

Me: I might as well introduce myself, my name is Arisha.

[I extended my hand to shake his.]
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Lewis: I’m Lewis, what media outlet are you from?

M: The NOM Tour Tracker.

L: NOM Tour Tracker, what’s that?

M: [I smirked] You know who we are . . .

L: [He smiled] You’re right, I read you every day, but where’s Danny Segura and – what’s his name – Robert?

M: They’re not here anymore.

L: Why?

M: Because it’s my turn. . .

[awkward silence]

L: I guess I’ll see you in Annapolis?

M: You sure will.

Everyone say hi to Lewis. He’s reading the Tour Tracker.

Check back with us soon. We’re working to upload a few videos of NOM supporters, including a couple of leather-clad members of the Knights of Columbus and the ex-gay leader of PFOX who secured the permits for this afternoon’s NOM event.

More pictures, as uploaded by Andy Kelley, our New Media Organizer:

NOM supporter holding anti-gay marriage sign:

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NOM supporter holding sign reading “Same-sex marriage is the opposite of marriage”:

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“Ex-gay” NOM supporter:

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UPDATE: The Knights of Columbus in Trenton show up, helping double NOM attendance in their stand against marriage equality (NOM photo from their Flickr account):

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UPDATE: Jeremy Hooper over at Good As You has a post going as well that provides more info on the latest #NOMturnoutFAIL, including this gem. Check out what Brian Brown predicted today:

**This comes from Brian Brown’s latest e-blast

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“An even bigger crowd” than past stops? Eh, I wanted a pony when I was a child. Wishes don’t always come true.

UPDATE: For those on Twitter, please retweet the following (just in from Andy, our New Media Organizer):

RT @EqualityOnTrial #NOMTour turnout FAIL in New Jersey (again): How will Brian Brown spin this one? http://bit.ly/d0aPf3 #lgbt

And remember to share the NOMTourTracker.com URL as well, in case you tell others about our site.

Thanks!

UPDATE: A short video clip of the #NOMturnoutFAIL direct from our team in Trenton:

UPDATE:

UPDATE: And here it is, a rough cut of the Brian Brown interview conducted by a member of our NOM Tour Tracker team on the ground in Trenton. And, yep, Brown is spinning like a top.

On the #NOMturnoutFAIL: “We’re happy with the response. We’re not going to get into numbers.” (He’s spinning hard and the nonverbal communication says it all; Watch the video)

On the iStock photo tour bus scandal: “It’s just normal if you have a bus to have pictures of families on it… Every major group does the same thing.”

Of course, Brian still hasn’t answered the question about whether the families represented on his bus actually agree with his discriminatory activism against marriage equality. We’ll let you know when he does.

Let me repeat the offer we made to Brian today. He’s welcome to post here anytime he wants and take questions from our Trackers.

(NOTE: We’ll have a longer New Jersey overview that will include this video as well as other video up at some point)

Keep refreshing this page as we bring you more, including video interviews. More to come…

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193 Comments

  • 1. Lori  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:50 am

    Hi, Lewis! (Someone had to say it.)

  • 2. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:50 am

    They will say anything to try and hide their bigotry and their extremism, won't they?
    Latest news in our area is that it is going to be a total bust. Nobody here wants to get their hands dirty, so to speak. They just want to hide in the corners.

  • 3. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:53 am

    Hiya Lweis! Welcome to Tour Tracker!
    Thank you Arisha and the rest of your team for the coverage today. Looks great!

  • 4. Dave in Maine  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:53 am

    They're already posting their misleading photos on their Flickr stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50933783@N07/

    Dave

  • 5. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:53 am

    Brian's got on his brown suit again. Wonder if he had it cleaned yesterday.

    BTW, dumb sign – "Same-Sex Marriage is the Opposite of Marriage". lol

  • 6. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:54 am

    Hey Lewis. Nice to meet you.

    Love
    Lesbians Love Boies

  • 7. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:54 am

    Sorry Lewis…did NOT mean to mistype your name :-)

  • 8. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:56 am

    What does that sign even mean???
    I thought divorce was the opposite of marriage LOL

  • 9. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:57 am

    BIG SHOUT OUT TO LEWIS wonder if at some point you could come out from lurking and talk with us, what's your feeling on all this

  • 10. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:57 am

    He probably has a Dryel set with him so that all he has to do is throw it in the bag with the pre-moistened towel, zip the bag and then in 30 minutes on medium heat, it's dry-cleaned.

  • 11. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:58 am

    I really have no clue…but they do seem proud of their sign.

  • 12. Dave in CA  |  July 20, 2010 at 4:59 am

    "…. “Healthcare and welfare programs are leading people away from marriage,” stated one speaker."

    What? You mean, it's not the gays after all?

    Oh, and a big shout-out to Lewis! Hi there {waving} – are we having fun yet? What's been your favorite part so far?

  • 13. Sagesse  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:01 am

    Hi Lewis :).

  • 14. Timothy Kincaid  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:06 am

    Hello, Lewis.

    Welcome to the perspective of the big ol' mean gay folk. ;)

    I gotta ask… (not just Lewis but anyone), who's the ex-gay?

    Is it Greg Quinlan? Richard Cohen? I just can't tell from the back.

  • 15. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:08 am

    Hi, Lewis. Welcome to the other side.

    In case you're interested (since NOM's site didn't actually provide transcripts), you can find live-blogging descriptions of the Prop 8 trial here (and transcripts are available on a variety of sites).

    I found the contrast between what was really said in court and what NOM paraphrased to be quite striking. Life is so much more interesting when you get to hear both sides of an argument, think, and then decide an issue for yourself. Would you agree?

  • 16. Dave in CA  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:14 am

    Okay, the NOMOs' message is staring to confuse me.

    a) that sign those kids are holding up contradicts itself. how can marriage be the opposite of itself? (On the other hand, finally here is evidence that NOM lives in a parallel universe.)

    b) NOMOs – get your story straight (so to speak). Is it healthcare, welfare or the homosexuals that are leading people away from marriage. My healthcare is through Blue Cross – are you saying they are responsible for your 50% divorce rate? Do you want me to call my agent and register a complaint?

    - OR –

    c) re: welfare. The Senate is expected to pass unemployment benefits extension in the next day or two. So are they the ones who are responsible for the failing hetero marriages?

    Lewis – could you do us a favor and run these questions past the NOM executive committee and report back to us?

  • 17. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:19 am

    One more thing, Lewis — would you please ask the people at nomblog to stop blocking comments which are politely phrased yet contrary to the site's overall heterosexist message?

    I completely understand blocking comments with profanity. Well thought-out questions/comments, however, should be allowed through the filters. By limiting comments, it really makes it seem as if the anti-equality folks have a problem with reasonable discourse.

  • 18. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:20 am

    That ex-gay guy is blocking the view of the little boy in the stroller.

  • 19. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:21 am

    Does it matter? We all know none of them has really stopped being gay — they've just (mostly) stopped having romantic and/or sexual relationships with others whose reproductive organs match their own.

    I can't imagine hating myself so much. I feel awful for them (except for the part where they're trying to deny civil rights to others).

  • 20. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:22 am

    The lines are straight — I'll give them that.

  • 21. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:24 am

    Help! Help! He's being repressed!

    Some people are just so darned inconsiderate.

  • 22. kenn  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Hola, Lewis!

  • 23. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:28 am

    And, as we have seen recently with those whose very actions have forced them back out of the closet, many of them have NOT stopped having romantic and/or sexual relationships (mostly just random encounters) with others of the same gender–they have just been hiding those encounters until they get to the point of being so careless that they make the one error that causes them to get caught.

  • 24. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:31 am

    *coughgeorgerekerscough*

  • 25. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:33 am

    It looks so odd to me to see a young person holding that kind of sign. I really think something promoting marriage equality would look so much better on him!

  • 26. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:35 am

    Actually, these group of kids weren't together (you can see that by the other pictures.) Looks like someone got all the diverse looking kids they could find in the crowd and took the pic. I think (from the other pics) the sign belongs to the girl on the left.

    Can you say staged photo-op.

  • 27. Joel  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:37 am

    Hello Lewis, from Las Vegas. The. NOM tour isn't coming anywhere near here, so unless you're planning a vacation here in Sin City, I'll probably never meet you in person. I wish I could, and I wish you could meet my husband too. He's a great guy.

    What's your connection with NOM? Do you really believe in their message? Are your reasons religious? Political? Or do you, like so many others in this country, just need a job?

  • 28. Bolt  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:38 am

    These pictures are entertaining. The NOM looks like a bunch of unloved zoo animals. The young teenagers will grow up. They're too young to be consumed by the NOM rage.

  • 29. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:39 am

    "Look – minorities agree with us! Our message CAN'T be discriminatory!"

  • 30. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:41 am

    Not finding any of that sentence comforting for the others who have to stand on the podium with him.

    BTW, I think the photo of the Knights of Columbus is so cute.

  • 31. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:43 am

    Oop, my bad. I think that's our photo of the diverse young group.

  • 32. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:46 am

    ::waves at Lewis::

  • 33. Dave in CA  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:46 am

    Those Knights of Columbus fellas are snappy dressers, aren't they? I didn't realize these were to be formal events. You know, it's only fair when you send out invitations to give some clue as to the expected dress code.

    Were they there to swell the ranks of the audience, or were they part of the entertainment?

  • 34. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:46 am

    They're young. Still parroting whatever nonsense their parents have fed them. Still not really thinking for themselves.

    Sometime soon, they will leave the eggshell of their repressive little world, and they will encounter all sorts of things that they never experienced. They will discover that people they love and respect are gay. They will also notice that those people are not predators or perverts, and I expect a lot of what their parents told them will stop making sense at that point.

    And at some point, they won't be bigots any more. They simply won't be able to be. To be prejudiced takes ignorance. To look a close friend in the eye and seriously believe that that person is a second-class citizen takes evil. I think many NOMers are ignorant. I don't think they're evil.

    The number of Christian/Catholic/Jewish groups out there who support marriage equality – often comprised of people who at one point opposed equality – stand testament to that.

    Who knows, maybe Lewis will be among them :)

  • 35. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:47 am

    Hey, you know what a bunch of old white guys dressed in white who call themselves "Knights" remind me of?
    ;)

  • 36. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:54 am

    Actually, the reason they are dressed in formal wear is that these are Fourth Degree Knights of Columbus, and they are probably part of what they call the "Honor Guard", or more colloquially, the "Color guard." When they are called upon to go to any event of this nature, they are to be in their full tuxedos, and often times, they are required to wear the cape and sash as well. These are usually rather affluent Knights, and many of them are retired from a major corporation or even from the military, most of them as commissioned officers. So they have the money to travel to events like this. Look for a large contingent of them in Raleigh right there with NOM, whether anybody else shows up or not. Since they are part of the money laundering coalition formed between the LDS and Catholic church hierarchies, they will be out in full force, even if they have to import 4th degrees from Virginia, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky.

  • 37. Steve  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:55 am

    To me it sounded more like a gay leather thing

  • 38. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:55 am

    A funeral parlor?

  • 39. Eden James  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:56 am

    Hey everyone — several updates have been posted since this first went up and we'll be sending many more.

    For those on Twitter, please retweet the following and spread the word!

    RT @EqualityOnTrial #NOMTour turnout FAIL in New Jersey (again): How will Brian Brown spin this one? http://bit.ly/d0aPf3 #lgbt

    Thanks!

  • 40. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:02 am

    Let me see if I get this right:

    158 > 48

    How did I do?

    Hmm. If the majority is, by definition, correct (that's all it took to take away rights in California if only for the time being), then wouldn't marriage equality have been "correct" at the NJ state house today?

  • 41. Eden James  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:03 am

    Oh, and also remember to share the NOMTourTracker.com URL as well, in case you tell others about the site.

    And per the usual, if you see any links out on the intertubes, let folks know in the comments. We're doing the best we can here, but we can't cover everything!

  • 42. Joel  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:04 am

    @Richard:
    Do you really think they were "careless," or do you think the Freudian slipped? I know when I was in the closet, I prayed daily that I would be outted, because I didn't have the courage or self-esteem to open the door myself… It's a well known symptom of some mental disorders, too, to leave clues to one's misdoings in the hopes of being caught.

  • 43. Tigger  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:04 am

    Hi Lewis!!

    Come hang out with the good guys! We're fun, nice, and have WAY better baked goods!

    One Love!

  • 44. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:08 am

    yes, follow the money trail, that fat paycheck B.B. gets, he gives half back to the church, avoiding taxes, no money for the gov't, and the church cashes in also tax free.

    They want desperately to keep that money out of the hands of the people.

  • 45. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:09 am

    Witness the "spirit of love" NOM demonstrates in describing themselves as "the White Martyrs" http://nomblog.com/1229/

  • 46. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:11 am

    My eyes are going bad…lol

    What youngster here can 'cipher' what's on this banner?
    http://photos.nj.com/star-ledger/2010/07/trmarria

  • 47. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:13 am

    @Joel: you are probably right there. I hadn't thought of it that way. But then again, I am not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, only a man who has been fortunate enough to have had a very understanding string of therapists over the years (not my choice to change them, I was in a situation where the therapists were changed on me by someone else's decision). And yes, they helped me heal from all the fears and self-loathing of my years in that prison so deceivingly misnamed "the closet."

  • 48. Dave in CA  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:14 am

    By the way, did anyone get the name of the speaker who said this:

    “…. “Healthcare and welfare programs are leading people away from marriage,” stated one speaker.”

    I wonder if this was one of their Prop 8 trial experts who chickened out after being cross-examined by David Boies in depositions. (oops, I meant…. who was afraid of being threatened and harassed.)

  • 49. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:14 am

    Well, I have been told I bake a rather nice challah.

  • 50. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:16 am

    I think it was Jennifer Roback Morse, of the Ruth Institute.

  • 51. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:17 am

    Subscribing

  • 52. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:19 am

    *head desk*

  • 53. VRAlbany  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Lew! I think I met you in Albany. Where do you post all the pictures you took? I'd like to see them! :-)

  • 54. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:20 am

    Hmm. That was supposed to go under Kathleen's "White Martyrs" post.

  • 55. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:21 am

    A question – is this "Lewis" Louis Marinelli – you know the person whose hate speech NOM kept trying to distance themselves from? http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2010/06/excl

    Speaking of which, it seems much of the connection that Good As You sites above, has been "corrected" by NOM.

  • 56. Eden James  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:26 am

    Arisha just texted me that the actual phrase used was "government programs" not "welfare programs." I just corrected they copy with strikeout.

    Arisha is a stickler for accuracy so it's great to have her on the road for Courage and the Trackers.

  • 57. Sheryl Carver  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:29 am

    Another "hi" to you, Lewis!

  • 58. Brian  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:29 am

    (the following is not a personal endorsement. The statements made below do not represent my personal views. I'm just reading the signs for those who can't. Personally, I think there are so many things factually and morally wrong with these statements, I would hardly know where to begin.)

    Left Sign:
    ————-
    GoD's COMMANDS ARE JUST, FAIR AND POSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH:
    Sodomy causes others to sin, diseases and misbehavior. The resulting high costs are crippling the economy. Every human being is obligated to control his physical desire.
    RATHER HEAL YROUSELVES & ENJOY LIFE A LOT BETTER

    Right sign:
    —————
    ONLY GOD CAN ESTABLISH WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG
    [God created] all, so HE knows what can damage or help his creations. If we oppose his laws, then first it will be [homosexual] marriage, then it will be bestiality. God prohibited sodomy and bestiality the same to all mankind. [Societal moves?] toward sexual immorality leads to heresy and crueltly, such as abortion, euthanasia, and death panels which will eventually lead to genocide.
    [MAKE OUR ?] COUNTRY FAITHFUL TO THE BIBLICAL VALUES UPON WHICH IT WAS FOUNDED
    [??] FACTOR WHEN VOTING FOR CANDIDATES [??] BE THEIR STANCE ON MORAL ISSUES!
    IN GOD WE TRUST!

  • 59. Sheryl Carver  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Are you referring to groups that used to also wear white hats that conveniently also covered their faces?

  • 60. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Good question Kathleen.

    Eden, can Arisha ask Lewis if he is Louis Marinelli?

  • 61. Dave in CA  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:37 am

    Ah…. well, that seems to me to broaden the category somewhat. Did the speaker list specific government programs that are leading people away from marriage?

    I really don't mean to belabor the point, but come on now… did the speaker also mention the Secret Government Police Force with the Big Black Helicopters?

    Maybe Lewis could ask the speaker to be more specific at the upcoming rallies. I'd like to know which government programs are leading people away from marriage.

  • 62. Scott  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:38 am

    I don't know about the sign but WHOO boy Jennifer Roebeck Morse really needs to get her roots done.
    http://photos.nj.com/star-ledger/2010/07/trmarria

  • 63. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Can't embed, but video of event.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF06s5-6hdg

  • 64. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Oh, really? There is a marriage tax penalty? Then why is it that married couples get a much larger tax exemption unless they are over a rather high amount of income?
    And how many lies can Brian Brown tell in 30 seconds? I lost count.
    Whose rights will they be fighting to destroy next?

  • 65. Eden James  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Video just posted by our team in Trenton in the main thread. Please refresh.

    I'm also going to add the video that LLB just put up above.

  • 66. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:00 am

    That is entirely possible. Y'all might want to go see his blog:
    http://louisjmarinelli.blogspot.com

    It's fascinating to watch the spin.

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 67. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:01 am

    Kathleen,

    Based on his Facebook page, I would say yes.

    *shakes head*

    Well, Louis, all I can say is I hope that by meeting folks on the marriage equality side, you'll come to understand that it's not about people choosing their orientation to deliberately mock your faith, but about extending civil rights equally to all committed couples, not just the straight ones. I bid you peace.

  • 68. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:04 am

    I think it is…
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5723842&amp

  • 69. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:06 am

    As I said earlier today, I am praying for Louis, Brian and their followers. I worry about people who are that angry and afraid. It must be horrible to feel so insecure about themselves that they must attack other people in this way.

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 70. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:07 am

    Should add that I said this in the comments on Louis' blog.

  • 71. Eden James  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:10 am

    Thanks LLB! Just posted it to the front page.

  • 72. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:11 am

    Even while he tosses around the usual arguments, note that Brian Brown can't invoke any sort of mistreatment of his protesters at the NJ rally. Well played, Steven!

  • 73. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:16 am

    I recommend reading the Good As You blog post. Especially note the video "The Truth About the Homosexual Agenda." Actually, watch all the videos at Louis's YouTube account. I will give him credit for finding lots of real scary music for his soundtracks.

    Again, I think we're seeing a shift in NOM's strategy. It seems they're less concerned about the association between NOM and the more overtly inflammatory messages put out by PM than they were in the past, despite BB's 'reasonable' messages of this all just being a difference of opinion. I wonder how much of this tour is a way of testing the water as to the effectiveness of this shift.

  • 74. Kevin  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:16 am

    Is there any video of any tv news coverage of the tour so far?

  • 75. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:16 am

    Someone didn't close an italics tag. :)

  • 76. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:18 am

    I tried to watch the spin, Fiona, I truly did. But I had to stop because I was getting so dizzy from the whirling.

  • 77. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:19 am

    And I would have to agree.

  • 78. Rhonda  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Welcome Lewis!

    <3 Rhonda

  • 79. Tigger  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:31 am

    HOLLA!! <—– that's some funny stuff!

  • 80. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:35 am

    @Arisha, I gotta say, I love your style, great job, can you introduce us to any more of the real people supporting NOM

    way to go

    and as for Kevin's comment ditto, where can we see main stream media coverage, what papers, what t.v. channels

  • 81. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:40 am

    I haven't seen much yet. Will post as each as one, not sure if you can post more than one link yet.
    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/lo

  • 82. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:40 am

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/07/groups_r

  • 83. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:41 am

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/07/pro_anti

  • 84. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Richard, be sure to read the comments. It's quite educational. ;->

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 85. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:00 am

    I will. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • 86. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:03 am

    New video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31U1o1nM_eU

  • 87. Ronnie  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Hey guys like I said I was there today in Trenton with my Mother. She was in tears listening to the testimony….I met some great people…Today was a good image for how we are gaining momentum (I thought RI & Albany was too…all are very different situations but all have the same goal in common, Equality)….& NOM is losing altitude…

    <3…Ronnie

  • 88. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Yes, it was definitely educational, Fiona. Until I came to this site and really began paying attention, I truly had no idea just how many people in this country fall into the category of "educated idiots." It is clear from their use of proper grammar and so forth that they have at least learned how to properly construct sentences and in some cases paragraphs, but it is also obvious that they have not had the least bit of education in critical thinking and forming their own, independent opinions outside of what the current evangelistically styled idol of the day is spouting.

  • 89. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Tell your mom we all say 'Hi' Ronnie. Did you see the people at the NOM rally? If you did see them, did they seem like the happy bunch of folks NOM is trying to portray? I am just curious.

  • 90. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:18 am

    @Sheryl Actually, I'd describe the headwear you're thinking of as more of a hood than a hat. But I think you've got the idea.

    Pretty similar in some of their ideas, too, I believe.

  • 91. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:18 am

    I am the only bothered by the way this report was put together? In particular, it seemed the statement by Peg Hensler (towards the end) was put there to counter the testimony of the children at the Equality gathering, and went unchallenged in the report.

  • 92. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:19 am

    From me, too, tell Mom 'Hi!" So glad you were able to be there.

  • 93. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:20 am

    That is the most imaginatively confused collection of gibberish I've seen since Sarah Palin's last speech.

    Sound and fury, signifying nothing.

  • 94. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:25 am

    You know Chris, I also thought "Sarah Palin" when I read what was on the banner.

    I also wonder if this statement from the banner, "The resulting high costs are crippling the economy." is somehow related to Jennifer Roback Morse, of the Ruth Institute's comment during her speech, “Healthcare and government programs are leading people away from marriage." Just trying to figure out where her statement comes from.

  • 95. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:26 am

    http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/gay-marria

  • 96. Dave in Maine  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Hi, Lewis! Hope you had a nice time in Maine-it's Vacationland!!!

    Dave

  • 97. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Another Video. Not much, but you can see more families there than at NOMs rally.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVhOo3V7yno

  • 98. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Yeah Ronnie!!!! and his mom, did little pooch go too, and did he have a sign?

    you go, and a peaceful protest at that,

  • 99. Ronnie  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:40 am

    No Woody didn't go but he was there in spirit…lol

    <3…Ronnie

  • 100. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:42 am

    @LLB of course you did. They flat out stole her "death panels" line!

    I think what we're seeing here is the anti-marriagers realizing they've run out of anything sensible to say. So they're spouting all this frightening hot-button nonsense that makes no sense, trying to relate it to issues that they know will freak out right-wingers who aren't thinking too clearly anyway.

    "Gay marriage means two people living together and consuming electricity, which means GLOBAL WARMING!! Gay marriage will destroy our planet!! Oh noes!!!"

    God, it's like some hate-based variant of "six degrees of Kevin Bacon".

  • 101. Eden James  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Just posted to the front page/bottom of this post:

    UPDATE: And here it is, a rough cut of the Brian Brown interview conducted by a member of our NOM Tour Tracker team on the ground in Trenton. And, yep, Brown is spinning like a top.

    On the #NOMturnoutFAIL: "We're happy with the response. We're not going to get into numbers." (He's spinning hard and the nonverbal communication says it all; Watch the video)

    On the iStock photo tour bus scandal: "It's just normal if you have a bus to have pictures of families on it… Every major group does the same thing."

    [youtube the offer we made to Brian today. He's welcome to post here anytime he wants and take questions from our Trackers.

    (NOTE: We'll have a longer New Jersey overview that will include this video as well as other video up at some point)

  • 102. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Aw crap, I was replying to LLB in #59.

  • 103. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:45 am

    The global warming is so indicative of their actions so far. As incredibly funny as the statement was, it was alarmingly true.

  • 104. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:53 am

    His answer re: the iStock photos implies that the pix are actually FAMILIES. I seriously doubt they are; they are most likely models who were put together for the shoot to APPEAR to be a family. It's entirely possible that some of the people depicted on that bus are gay — maybe some are even married gay people. :)

  • 105. Dave P.  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:54 am

    I think they look adorable! They look like the little plastic gay couples on the tops of wedding cakes at a same-sex marriage.

    But their actions are not so adorable at all. Using their group to collect money that is used to hurt familes and their children by denying them equal rights. And using the process to conceal the truth about who is paying for the lies that passed prop 8. They should be ashamed of themselves for causing so much harm to these families.

  • 106. Troubletown  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:54 am

    OK – does someone have any info on the current status of revisiting the NJ Supreme COurt for gay marriage?

    I know they want to take it back to the NJ Supreme Court…

    ("The groups were flexing their muscle in anticipation that the state Supreme Court will hear a case from six same-sex couples in civil unions who want the right to marry. They argue that civil unions have not provided the equal rights the court mandated in a 2006 decision that led to the legislative creation of civil unions.")

    …but, for the life of me, I can't find any info on where we're at with this! Does anyone have info on the status/time-line?

    This is especially important as Gov. Corzine is going to appoint gay-averse people to the NJ Supreme Court.

  • 107. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:55 am

    So glad to hear it, Ronnie! :)

  • 108. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:55 am

    This is why I worry when I hear people saying they want to get in NOM's face and teach them a lesson.

    When I was calling for No on 1 last November, I got a few people who seemed genuinely concerned about children being forced to learn about homosexuality in the schools. "Well, I can't say I have a problem with two people who love each other getting married, but I've been hearing that my kids are going to be forced to watch gay porn in sex ed class. And I just don't think that's right."

    Um, no. But they'd been fed all kinds of dramatic lies by the Yes people who knew they'd believe them.

    You can fight this lunacy with all the logic in the world, but I think the best way to convince people is to show them that these scare tactics are simply not true. Couples with children quietly holding signs sends a very powerful message.

    Unfortunately, so do angry screaming people getting up in Brian Brown's face.

    I don't believe for a second h or any of his minions will show up on this blog, but if they do, I really hope people will be nice to them.

    Not that sarcasm is out of the question, but I'd hope we could restrain ourselves from insults and obscenities.

  • 109. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Look on the bright side, at least some of the far right will now believe in global warming! NOM would finally do something positive by helping climate science! >;-D

  • 110. Bolt  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Does the NOM sleep on the bus? There is something extremely unglamorous about his rage tour.

  • 111. Troubletown  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Ummm…I mean Gov. Christie (not former Gov. Corzine)

  • 112. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 20, 2010 at 8:59 am

    From one of LLB's nj.com links:

    Same-sex couples and gay rights organizations have asked the state Supreme Court to grant them marriage rights on the grounds that the civil union law is inadequate. The court has not said whether it will take the case.

    Also, quick correction, the current NJ governor is Chris Christie.

  • 113. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:03 am

    HAHA. Well, that's one way of saving the environment, isn't it?

    "97% of gay couples support unfettered industry and the complete removal of environment regulations! One of the key aims of the homosexual agenda is to completely destroy the ozone layer by 2012, just in time for the end of the world!"

    You get people believing that one and you'll bankrupt NOM in the process. All the evangelicals who normally donate to them will start giving their money to the Nature Conservancy instead.

  • 114. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:03 am

    @TRoubletown – here's a press release from Lambda Legal. http://www.lambdalegal.org/publications/articles/

  • 115. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:06 am

    I agree Chris.

    There is more than one issue for equality the LGBT community is battling for today.

    Our 'fight' in this particular case is 'MARRIAGE' Equality. To me, displaying ourselves as adults, showing that we are peaceful, we also have loving families, we are responsible and marriage is so very necessary for our couples and our families. Screaming in someones face doesn't depict that happy marriage we are seeking.

    I know I am wording this wrong. I hope you understand what I am trying to say : )

  • 116. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:10 am

    True, but this way they have their free advertising as they role the gNOMobile down the streets.

    (It is a little bit like "Spinal Tap," though … I can't wait to see what great new ideas Jeannine has for the band.)

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 117. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Hooray! Tell your mom I said hello, and that I'm glad the two of you were there to represent the whole gang.

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 118. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Awesome Ronnie!! I am so jealous you got to be at one of the rallies…and with your Mom no less! NICE!!
    So can we see you and your mom in any of the pix?
    Would love to put a face with the name and the posts :-)

  • 119. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Has this one been posted? http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news%2F

  • 120. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Yeah. I've been posting them all on Bobs comment (currently number 88) but we know how the numbers all change. : )

    Perhaps at the beginning of each comment section someone can start a post on articles…that way they are all together.

    Just a thought.

  • 121. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Oo. Oo. They could have a little miniature styrofoam oneman.onewoman family (TM) lowered onto the stage while BB speaks.

  • 122. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Did you see their video that has the bus going down the road. With the music and rolling into the town…

    Reminds me of the PBS show (can't think of the name) where the bus goes from city to city and they do a 'tool time like' show. Fix-it-up.

    I think the video is here somewhere. It was posted on youtube on the 15th.

  • 123. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:22 am

    here is the video. looks like they stole that intro…wish I could see if it's the same music, because it sure sounds like it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGloEDSr4mM

  • 124. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:30 am

    @Richard Looks like they got their location in Raleigh:

    Raleigh, North Carolina
    Summer for Marriage Tour Stop:
    Tuesday, August 10, 2010 from 12:00pm – 1:00pm
    State Capitol, South Side
    Raleigh, NC 27601

  • 125. Chris  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:45 am

    @LLB No, I get exactly what you're saying. Basically, show these frightened people that gays are no different from straights as far as maturity, stability, and having a family that they love.

    Like I said, I think a lot of these anti-marriagers have this idea that gay people are unstable: perverted, promiscuous, and predatory. And I really do believe that they think that if they can suppress marriage equality, they can get those dangerous people to go away. Hence the reason that Brian Brown and the rest of the far-right rely so heavily on those lies.

    NOM's worst nightmare is well-dressed, respectful gay couples standing with their children and holding signs with words like "love" and "family" on them. That's a level of ordinariness that flies in the face of the stereotypes they're milking, and it'll make a lot of these anti-gay activists actually wonder who they're fighting.

  • 126. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:49 am

    "We have a One Man/One Woman Family (TM) that was in danger of being toppled by a Labrador retriever!"

    /snark

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 127. nightshayde  |  July 20, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Even better if a dog would pee on it.

    *giggle*

  • 128. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:03 am

    This is great. From today's events.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6bmymJUT1w

  • 129. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:09 am

    and by the way thanks LLB's you're doing a great job of rolling out those news casts, we do have main stream coverage, I can finally rest asssured specially since I saw that clip of them covering it on the VIEW, don't know how old that was, seems I'm glued to this site,,,,,,, thanks

  • 130. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Rabbi Jernigan?

    What have you to say to these Rabbi(d) Rousers? Hehehehe!!!!

    Too bad you could not have stood with them….for the sake of irony you understand!

    LOL

    Felyx

  • 131. jay lassiter  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:24 am

    From today (via bluejersey.com)
    [youtube

    132. Mark  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Hi Lewis,

    Please stop hurting decent, loving families.

    Thanks!

    Mark

  • 133. JonT  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:36 am

    'What does that sign even mean???'

    Yeah, I was trying to figure that out too.

  • 134. JonT  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Is it my imagination, or are all the fonts 'leaning' over this afternoon? (unclosed italic tag somewhere?)
    :)

  • 135. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Not your imagination JonT. It happened during one of the updates of the main post.

  • 136. RebeccaRGB  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Blogger didn't close an italics tag!

    Hi Lewis!

  • 137. RebeccaRGB  |  July 20, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Marriage is the #1 cause of divorce, of course.

  • 138. Straight Ally #3008  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Heh heh. :) I would be remiss, however, if I didn't mention the Creation Care movement, which is particularly popular with young evangelicals, which is devoted to good stewardship of the Earth. Heck, before you know it, they'll figure out that LGBT people are OK and evolution is real, and they'll wonder why their parents made such a big fuss about it.

  • 139. RebeccaRGB  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:02 am

    The opposite of marriage is divorce. The #1 cause of divorce is marriage. Therefore marriage is the opposite of itself.

    Makes more sense than NOM logic at least.

  • 140. JonT  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:08 am

    'that sign those kids are holding up contradicts itself. how can marriage be the opposite of itself?'

    Perhaps they are referring to an anti-matter universe where gays are really straight, but can't get married. Or something like that.

    'NOMOs – get your story straight (so to speak). Is it healthcare, welfare or the homosexuals that are leading people away from marriage.'

    I think it works like this:

    1. Healthcare is equivalent to welfare.

    2. Welfare is equivalent to libruls or progressives.

    3. Libruls/progressives are all gay.

    4. gay people cause straight people to get divorses.

    5. ???

    6. Profit!

    Something like that. hehe.

    Hi Lewis! XXX OOO

  • 141. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Now I see how I failed logic ;)

  • 142. JonT  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Haha, now behave… :)

  • 143. Ray in MA  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Recently there was a blurb in the media that DIVORCE contirbutes to Global Weather Change… two of everything for two households where there once was one.

  • 144. Kevin  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Thank you for posting all of these. I was disappointed in abc's coverage (that you linked to above), but at least here we led.

  • 145. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Really? I thought it was one of the more positive reports from mainstream media.

  • 146. truthspew  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I'm glad they got the 'welcome' they did in Providence. They deserve every bit of scorn and derision we can dish out.

  • 147. Vito J. Oliver  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:58 am

    I'm so disappointed in NJ. What the hell is the point of a counter protest if you're not standing in front of your enemies? So I guess we're back to being inside while they preach their hate…

  • 148. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Well, that definitely fits their pattern of going to the statehouses and other state-level government buildings.

  • 149. Billy  |  July 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Hey Louis!

    Looking forward to meeting you in Indy so I can tell you personally what a wonderful person I think you are.

    Sarcasm hurts… I had a hard time typing that. >.<

  • 150. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    @ Felyx: Rabbi said to let everyone know that we have our right-wingnuts also.

  • 151. Dpeck  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Oh my Gawd! Gay Spinal Tap fans????? I thought I was the only one!!! I have found my HOME!!! : )

  • 152. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Hi DPeck! Just yesterday I was discussing with someone which movies I can watch over and over again without tiring of them… and Spinal Tap was on the list!

  • 153. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Hi Vito, guess one had to be there to have the experience, people's report back were all positive, and they felt they accomplished what they wanted, I know they got a lot of press coverage, media attention is always important, keep it in the mainline news.
    I know it's not your style, but I'm thinking I can't judge there approach, any more than I can judge yours, except by the results, and both got media attention,
    Are you still working on the D.C. thing?
    your input is valued here,

  • 154. Heather  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    I'm in agreement with you on this Vito. I was hoping for something really big in Jersey to keep momentum going after our stop….guess not.

  • 155. Mark M  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    You counter protest in the eyes of the media…as was done wonderfully today in NJ.
    And no video of us looking like screaming crazies, but rather video of the loving families NOM's hate and lies are hurting. Very powerful message. I am very sad you can't or don't wish to see that.

  • 156. Mark M  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    You really don't seem the major impact NJ made in the media coverage as something big? Really? :-(

  • 157. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Mark, I thought it was great. The families that got together, talked to the media, cried, showed us how much they want Marriage Equality for their families. It is a huge impact for us all.

    I would like to personally thank all of those families who showed us their courage today. Amazing.

  • 158. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Actually, what happened in Trenton may end up being even more beneficial to us than Providence was. Both got us noticed, but in different ways. And Trenton actually gave even better exposure to putting faces and names on the issue in a direct manner. This actually showed them the families they are harming.

  • 159. Ronnie  |  July 20, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Vito, I was actually in the same place you are with what GSE did today. I didn't see quite as much wrong with what was done in RI as other people did, but having been there today & knowing the Situation that we were in my attitude changed. It was peaceful but I felt empowered. I don't know if it was our numbers vs. theirs, the strong speakers, the tears it brought to my Mother's eyes, the kids marching with us, or the guy who had a brace on his leg & a cane in his hand needed to walk. He managed to get down there while NOM couldn't even muster up a decent crowd in the state they have been based out of for a while…so sad

    GSE has been dealing with NOM's extremely special brand of hate for a very long time.

    You can ask anybody here, Vito, I am a hothead & have let loose quite a few times (ok maybe a lot) on this blog against the anti-gay trollers who popped in here over from NOM, etc etc. You can ask any one of them, that I have been grinding my teeth to finally lay into those NOMers…Today was not the time or the place. We had kids with us, quite a few kids & my Mother was there…soooo that made me hold my tongue…but if Brainless Brown Suit tried to open his overtly & obviously flamboyant trap at me…he would have had it coming..lol

    Let's put it this way…I was ready to get right in the NOMers face but when I saw them in person…I was not impressed & felt like they were a complete waste of time & energy. Their numbers today where laughable considering that the majority of them were either way to old to have any influence for much longer, too young to take seriously (I think they made a complete joke of NOM but don't quote me on that), NOM staff which is a given "I really don't give a frak because their gone anyway", or cough cough the same exact people who got of the short bus…I mean fake bus…umm..NOM bus?…at each stop thus far (pa-the-tic)..in other words they were preaching (literally) to the choir.

    Anywho…I stand by what you guys did in RI but I stand by what we did in NJ today also. Both are very different situations & both are needed. That's all I can really say…It's PC I know, but whatevs..

    I'm starting to think no matter what we do, Brainless Brown Suit will spin it into something utterly bullshite. Albany w/the Umbrellas, RI w/the directness, & NJ w/the number thing…He's delusional.

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  • 161. Owen  |  July 20, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Not at all. That really pisses me off. I'm tired of hearing that line about "kids do best with a mother and father" go without being challenged in the MSM. I think it was Adolf Hitler – and we all know the Nazis were good at propaganda – who said something about repeating a lie over and over again will make everyone believe it.

  • 162. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Ronnie, I always knew you had it in you to be a calm young gentleman and still feel the power from that. I am proud of you. And so glad your mom was able to be there.

  • 163. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I can attest to Ronnie being perfectly capable of confrontation. We love you Ronnie!!

  • 164. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    well Ronnie, I was waiting for that, to hear you tell what it was like, it's what I meant when I said to Vito , I think you had to be there
    So well put Ronnie, and this from our P8TT's main,rablble rouser, with the most angry in your face posts, listen to this guy Vito, cause he's hoping to get a chance and the opportunity to spew his venom you two could be a team on that energy level
    Ronnie I'm so proud of you, to be aware of your surroundings and allow yourself a different experience,
    I was so waiting for that report

    Standing O

  • 165. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 20, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    And I can attest not only to the fact that he is quite capable of confrontation, but also that he is NEVER afraid of it in the least.♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

  • 166. Elsie  |  July 20, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    1. : )

  • 167. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  July 20, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Just hoping to get rid of the italics!!!

  • 168. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  July 20, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Sighs…oh well

  • 169. Owen  |  July 20, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Well said. What they did in Trenton was very effective, in my eyes. The news piece on Action News 6 seemed to focus almost exclusively on what was being said by the Equality Group.

  • 170. Kathleen  |  July 20, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    It happened after one of the updates of the main post… we've been trying to get CC's attention on it for hours.

  • 171. Bob  |  July 20, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Vito and Heather, thanks for you energy, thanks for your anger, thanks for wanting to express it. thanks for having expressed it.
    Just seeing that photo of you screaming in rage, helped me , I think that picture rounds out the whole anti NOM rally thing, I mean really how could we be doing this and anger not come out somewhere,
    Our Aborginal People in Canada made the news again today, they too are keeping their issues in the main stream media, they want to have the Indian Act repealed, their situation and ours is so similar,
    They have had to depend on people like you at times, to get peoples attention, but they are saying today they are learning different tactics, They too are using the courts, and threat of courts, to keep people talking, and as long as the issues are being discussed they will use that approach, but they can't promise that their people in the meantime, might again RISE UP, when they grow weary of waiting .
    Let me tell you eveyone is tired here of this situation, and we know how distructive an uprising can be, but having seen there anger we know they mean business, so it keeps everyone's nose to the table , looking for solutions.

    I think you've shown us what you got , and what Queer Rising is capable of, and I hope as these counter protests continue they keep our issues in the main stream media, and if any place on the stop feels they need confrontation, they know who to call.

    Meantime, perhaps it might be really good if you could take a step into this other experience like Ronnie did today, or maybe you have already done so, just sayin, we're all in this together

  • 172. ArishaMichelle  |  July 20, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Thank you so much Bob. We're trying our very best out here. Check back Wednesday for more videos of NOM supporters. I've just seen the rough cuts and they look great.
    xoxo, A

  • 173. Michael  |  July 20, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    How do we know he's "ex-gay?' Anyone can wear a t-shirt and NOM lies about everything else. Why wouldn't they grab an old t-shirt and plant it on someone in the audience? We should not just fall for ANYTHING they say or do since their goal is to eradicate us.

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  • 175. JonT  |  July 20, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    @Ronnie: 'You can ask anybody here, Vito, I am a hothead & have let loose quite a few
    times (ok maybe a lot) on this blog against the anti-gay trollers who popped in here over from NOM, etc etc.
    '

    Hehe, ain't that the truth! :)

    'We had kids with us, quite a few kids & my Mother was
    there…
    '

    Yes – it's amazing what having your mom nearby can do for one's 'posture' and manners. :)

    '…in other words they were preaching (literally) to the choir.

    That's an excellent point. The people showing up at their presentations aren't exactly on the fence, they are definitely pro-nomo. They are not trying to convince anyone present. They are playing to the media. That's it.

    'Anywho…I stand by what you guys did in RI but I stand by what we did in NJ today also. Both are very different situations & both are needed. That’s all I can really say I think what I saw (via videos) at NJ…'

    Well said. I'm glad you and your mom could be there. And you're right. No matter how peaceful the demonstration is, he will they will find a way to twist it. That's their job.

    Excellent work Ronnie!
    Thanks!

  • 176. JonT  |  July 20, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Yeah, that's is weird. Looking at this page, vs. other pages on this site (using the firefox Firebug extension):

    The big thing I see are tons of embed (em) tags in every comment and surrounding block in this thread.

    That's what doing the italic font (via css), but I can't see why that is only the case on this particular thread and not any of the others.

    Only the master admins can know what's doing that.
    :)

  • 177. fiona64  |  July 20, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Dear Louis (I know you're reading):

    I am sure that you feel like quite the big, strong man now that you have blocked me from commenting on your blog. I mean, I must be a real threat to you: straight, female, married, church-going, middle-aged — and daring to step outside the box of what you think that women of my demographic should be doing and thinking.

    Darn it, I guess I shouldn't have paid so much attention in civics class. That way, I too could be ignorant of how our government works and not spend my time explaining that the Bible is not the basis of law in this country. Was that what offended you so much that you banned me from commenting?

    Perhaps what offended you was the calm way in which I answered all of the trollish questions from your supporters, one of whom decided that it was necessary to post all of the interests from my LiveJournal profile and make nasty comments about my appearance. Was that what got me banned?

    Or perhaps what got me banned was my knowledge of history and archaeology, including some archaic languages, which allowed for an exegesis of the "clobber verses" that you and your friends love to tout? Was that what got me banned?

    Perhaps it was my belief in the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution that got me banned?

    Or perhaps you are far more scared of the quiet, calm opposition that I present? Was I banned for being too polite, Louis?

    Hmmm.

    Why are you afraid of my words, Louis? Or is it that you are afraid your followers will see my words and say "Wait a minute … she's on to something here?"

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 178. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 21, 2010 at 12:01 am

    It was all of the above, Fiona, plus knowing that you have the truth on your side, while all he has are the superstitions and fairy tales he has been told about how things are supposed to be. I have also noticed that very few of these people have bothered to study the culture and time period surrounding the writings they love to use as their "sanctified" tools for oppression of those they don't like. If they were to do so, they would quickly find out where they have been mistranslating, misinterpreting, and totally skewing the words they seem to hold as holy.

  • 179. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 21, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Hmmm…

    Well it looks like this "Same Sex Marriage is the Opposite of Marriage" is a new NOM catch-phrase. Maybe it's in tongue too…because I still don't get it.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/50933783@N07/4814484

    Perhaps they will explain it to us. Louis…do you know?

  • 180. RebeccaRGB  |  July 21, 2010 at 12:08 am

    (em) is emphasis — as in, italics :)

    There is a single opening (em) tag at the very end of the blog post, which results in the entire rest of the page rendering in italics.

  • 181. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 21, 2010 at 12:09 am

    The biggest reason you don't get it, LLB, is that you are using logic, and this is not a logical assumption. Remember that logic and knowledge are not their strong points over there.

  • 182. fiona64  |  July 21, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Maybe I was banned for praying that he be delivered from all of his anger and insecurities.

    Love,
    Fiona

  • 183. Madison’s Testimony&hellip  |  July 21, 2010 at 6:07 am

    [...] On Tuesday, Garden State Equality responded by organizing an overflowing town hall in Trenton, New Jersey, that attracted 158 people, according to Courage staffer Arisha Michelle Hatch’s hand-count (versus the 48 who showed up for the NOM rally). [...]

  • 184. JonT  |  July 21, 2010 at 6:19 am

    @LRebeccaRGB: (em) is emphasis — as in, italics

    Duh.. :) Was a little late.

    Strange since I saw the (em) tags everywhere. But anyway, would be nice if it was fixed…

  • 185. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 21, 2010 at 6:30 am

    And please, Arisha, keep plenty of water around to drink. You and Anthony both. We don’t want you falling out on us.

  • 186. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 21, 2010 at 8:09 am

    @JonT
    It's not about the tag itself.  The problem is that it's not closed: they posted an opening tag, but they didn't post a closing one. For example, it should be “text1 text2 text3” — only text inside would be italicized.  But they did this: “text1text2 … text3 … to the end of document” — it never closes with the closing tag .  I don't know if you know that or not, maybe I'm preaching to the choir…  But I hope admins will see it.

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  • 188. BREAKING: NOM Tour Tracke&hellip  |  July 21, 2010 at 10:11 am

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  • 189. BREAKING (NEW VIDEO): NOM&hellip  |  July 22, 2010 at 9:33 am

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  • 190. BREAKING: Cops on horses,&hellip  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:41 pm

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