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		<title>By: Ming Vonsalis</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-278234</link>
		<dc:creator>Ming Vonsalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Amen! So George if you want to marry 2 guys, 3 girls, and a 5 year old child then you just go right ahead. We wouldn&#039;t want to take away your Constitutional Rights! &quot; 
 
Good point Joe, after reading full discusion it was exactly what I wanted to say, there must be limits and people doesn&#180;t realize about it... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Amen! So George if you want to marry 2 guys, 3 girls, and a 5 year old child then you just go right ahead. We wouldn&#039;t want to take away your Constitutional Rights! &quot; </p>
<p>Good point Joe, after reading full discusion it was exactly what I wanted to say, there must be limits and people doesn&acute;t realize about it&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: The Supreme Court&#8217;s Ambiguous Ruling in Doe v. Reed &#171; Prop 8 Trial Tracker</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196347</link>
		<dc:creator>The Supreme Court&#8217;s Ambiguous Ruling in Doe v. Reed &#171; Prop 8 Trial Tracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the anti-gay groups did not want these names to be disclosed, as part of a broader strategy to hide their names and intentions from the public &#8211; a strategy that we have seen repeatedly [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the anti-gay groups did not want these names to be disclosed, as part of a broader strategy to hide their names and intentions from the public &#8211; a strategy that we have seen repeatedly [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196346</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;George, you just don&#8217;t get it do you. Taking away the Constitutional Rights of a minority is wrong. END OF ARGUMENT!&quot; 
 
Amen! So George if you want to marry 2 guys, 3 girls, and a 5 year old child then you just go right ahead. We wouldn&#039;t want to take away your Constitutional Rights! 
 
Oh wait, Rebecca, was that the argument? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;George, you just don&rsquo;t get it do you. Taking away the Constitutional Rights of a minority is wrong. END OF ARGUMENT!&quot; </p>
<p>Amen! So George if you want to marry 2 guys, 3 girls, and a 5 year old child then you just go right ahead. We wouldn&#039;t want to take away your Constitutional Rights! </p>
<p>Oh wait, Rebecca, was that the argument? </p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196345</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jump in the way back machine to 1967 and we can replace George Foster&#039;s comments with inter-racial marriage instead of same-sex-marriage. 
 
I&#039;m not a bigot.  I have lots of black friends. 
I&#039;m not a bigot.  I have lots of gay friends. 
 
George, you just don&#039;t get it do you.  Taking away the Constitutional Rights of a minority is wrong.  END OF ARGUMENT! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jump in the way back machine to 1967 and we can replace George Foster&#039;s comments with inter-racial marriage instead of same-sex-marriage. </p>
<p>I&#039;m not a bigot.  I have lots of black friends.<br />
I&#039;m not a bigot.  I have lots of gay friends. </p>
<p>George, you just don&#039;t get it do you.  Taking away the Constitutional Rights of a minority is wrong.  END OF ARGUMENT! </p>
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		<title>By: Pickles</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196344</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to add one thing.  A good friend of mine sat in a hospital waiting room today.  On his lap sat a folder filled with legal paperwork all regarding his partner who was undergoing surgery.  As if it wasn&#039;t enough that he was terrified that the man he loved wouldn&#039;t make it through surgery, he also had the worry that the paperwork he had to go to great lengths (and costs!) to get wouldn&#039;t be enough to prove his worth as the person who can make legal decisions for his partner of 10 years.  His partner&#039;s family disowned him more than 20 years ago when he came out and my friend is, in essence, his only family.   
 
But that doesn&#039;t matter, legally.  Those people who disowned him two decades ago could walk into that hospital and have more legal rights then the man who has been by his side, loving him for the last 10 years.  One little piece of paper could change all that.  A marriage license.  But people like George didn&#039;t give a shit about anyone but themselves and &quot;weren&#039;t ready&quot; to give my friend the honor of being in the same position that they so ungratefully take for granted. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to add one thing.  A good friend of mine sat in a hospital waiting room today.  On his lap sat a folder filled with legal paperwork all regarding his partner who was undergoing surgery.  As if it wasn&#039;t enough that he was terrified that the man he loved wouldn&#039;t make it through surgery, he also had the worry that the paperwork he had to go to great lengths (and costs!) to get wouldn&#039;t be enough to prove his worth as the person who can make legal decisions for his partner of 10 years.  His partner&#039;s family disowned him more than 20 years ago when he came out and my friend is, in essence, his only family.   </p>
<p>But that doesn&#039;t matter, legally.  Those people who disowned him two decades ago could walk into that hospital and have more legal rights then the man who has been by his side, loving him for the last 10 years.  One little piece of paper could change all that.  A marriage license.  But people like George didn&#039;t give a shit about anyone but themselves and &quot;weren&#039;t ready&quot; to give my friend the honor of being in the same position that they so ungratefully take for granted. </p>
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		<title>By: Pickles</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196343</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it had gone the other way then you would have just &quot;shrugged your shoulders and let it be&quot;?  If you care so little about this issue then why bother to vote to deny your fellow citizens a basic right?  That doesn&#039;t add up George.  What was your reason for denying your fellow Californians this right to marry who they love?  You claim you are not a biggot.  Not a hater.  Then why?   
 
You stopped people from GETTING MARRIED.  You stopped loving, committed couples from legally expressing that love and protecting themselves in times of crisis.  (Hospital visits, births, funerals, joint health care, etc, etc, etc. are all givens when you are married.)  You don&#039;t care enough about this to give it more than a moments thought, but you cared enough to change the lives of thousands of people without nary a backwards glance.  Still think you&#039;re not a biggot? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it had gone the other way then you would have just &quot;shrugged your shoulders and let it be&quot;?  If you care so little about this issue then why bother to vote to deny your fellow citizens a basic right?  That doesn&#039;t add up George.  What was your reason for denying your fellow Californians this right to marry who they love?  You claim you are not a biggot.  Not a hater.  Then why?   </p>
<p>You stopped people from GETTING MARRIED.  You stopped loving, committed couples from legally expressing that love and protecting themselves in times of crisis.  (Hospital visits, births, funerals, joint health care, etc, etc, etc. are all givens when you are married.)  You don&#039;t care enough about this to give it more than a moments thought, but you cared enough to change the lives of thousands of people without nary a backwards glance.  Still think you&#039;re not a biggot? </p>
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		<title>By: Marco Luxe</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196342</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco Luxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Straight Bashing&quot; is &quot;documented and catalogued&quot; by the Heritage Foundation!  Who&#039;s calling them out on their lies???? 
 
Have any reports been generated to refute the distortions in the Heritage Foundation&#8217;s catalogue of anti-straight violence in reaction to Prop 8? The report, &#8220;The Price of Prop 8&#8243;, is just political lies. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heritage.org/research/family/bg2328.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.heritage.org/research/family/bg2328.cf...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
I read the report&#8217;s footnotes to the &#8220;incidents&#8221;, and to me, some show pure unconfirmable political accusations with no evidence or corroboration, a la &#8220;He looked at me crosseyed so I felt harassed&#8221;  
 
The Intervenors have alluded to all this fear of retribution, death threats, vandalism, harassment, etc. but it seems to be all made up&#8230;. and then the empty claims were &#8220;documented&#8221; by this ideological think tank&#8217;s &quot;academic study&#8221;.  
 
Where is the refutation of these lies? I haven&#039;t read anything in the press.  I have read stories on the claims of harassment, but they don&#039;t question or research the veracity of those empty claims.   
 
This is part of a scheme of &quot;documented&quot; lies that stretches back to the Wirthins of Mass. who were &#8220;outraged&#8221; in their TV ad because their son had access to diversity materials that included non-traditional nuclear families. [Mom cries, &quot;He had to learn about gay marriage&quot; !] The fact is that they were a plant by Mormons, whose top leaders are related to this family! They temporarily moved into the area to generate these lies used against marriage equality, part of the long -term Mormon plan.  They&#039;ve never been exposed in the mainstream press! 
 
Where are the investigative reporters unearthing the lies? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Straight Bashing&quot; is &quot;documented and catalogued&quot; by the Heritage Foundation!  Who&#039;s calling them out on their lies???? </p>
<p>Have any reports been generated to refute the distortions in the Heritage Foundation&rsquo;s catalogue of anti-straight violence in reaction to Prop 8? The report, &ldquo;The Price of Prop 8&Prime;, is just political lies. <a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/family/bg2328.cfm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/family/bg2328.cf" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/research/family/bg2328.cf</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>I read the report&rsquo;s footnotes to the &ldquo;incidents&rdquo;, and to me, some show pure unconfirmable political accusations with no evidence or corroboration, a la &ldquo;He looked at me crosseyed so I felt harassed&rdquo;  </p>
<p>The Intervenors have alluded to all this fear of retribution, death threats, vandalism, harassment, etc. but it seems to be all made up&hellip;. and then the empty claims were &ldquo;documented&rdquo; by this ideological think tank&rsquo;s &quot;academic study&rdquo;.  </p>
<p>Where is the refutation of these lies? I haven&#039;t read anything in the press.  I have read stories on the claims of harassment, but they don&#039;t question or research the veracity of those empty claims.   </p>
<p>This is part of a scheme of &quot;documented&quot; lies that stretches back to the Wirthins of Mass. who were &ldquo;outraged&rdquo; in their TV ad because their son had access to diversity materials that included non-traditional nuclear families. [Mom cries, &quot;He had to learn about gay marriage&quot; !] The fact is that they were a plant by Mormons, whose top leaders are related to this family! They temporarily moved into the area to generate these lies used against marriage equality, part of the long -term Mormon plan.  They&#039;ve never been exposed in the mainstream press! </p>
<p>Where are the investigative reporters unearthing the lies? </p>
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		<title>By: Paul (A.)</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196341</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul (A.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The obvious reason they want to conceal their identities would be consciousness of guilt.  Why do drug dealers throw bags of crack from the car windows when pulled over?  Same principle. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The obvious reason they want to conceal their identities would be consciousness of guilt.  Why do drug dealers throw bags of crack from the car windows when pulled over?  Same principle. </p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196340</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are these people hiding from? What are these people afraid of. 
 
Bill says,  
&quot;Are we TRULY supposed to believe that heterosexuals are now afraid of straight-bashing?&quot; 
 
&quot;This entire Prop 8 disaster has made me more thankful than ever for having the good fortune of being born gay&quot;...&quot;The alternative is simply to hateful, deceitful, and bigoted to even consider for 10 seconds.&quot; 
 
 
 
George said,   
 
&quot;hi, i don&#8217;t hate gays, im not a biggot-just a guy who expressed his opinion by voting to ban gay marriage.&quot;  
 
The response he received from the kind, tolerant, open-minded,  peace-loving gay people on this post. 
 
From Nikki, &quot;If it talks like a bigot and votes like a bigot, then it&#8217;s a bigot &#8212; as are you, my dear unthinking, in-denial George.&quot;  
 
From Renee, &quot;What you ARE, dear George, is a deluded, unthinking, unfeeling idiot. Sorry, but it&#8217;s so obvious; I just had to say it.&quot; 
 
Robert states, &quot;And yet we&#8217;re supposed to believe it&#8217;s the Prop 8 defenders who are vulnerable and should be kept hidden from public view? Since that&#8217;s a ridiculous idea, it should be obvious that their motives in wanting to close the trial and their donor lists and petition signer lists are primarily political in nature.&quot; 
 
Now I could be wrong, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s George who looks &quot;hateful, deceitful, and bigoted &quot; in this post. And I&#039;m fairly certain that he has not been prompted in any way to rethink his position on this matter. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are these people hiding from? What are these people afraid of. </p>
<p>Bill says,<br />
&quot;Are we TRULY supposed to believe that heterosexuals are now afraid of straight-bashing?&quot; </p>
<p>&quot;This entire Prop 8 disaster has made me more thankful than ever for having the good fortune of being born gay&quot;&#8230;&quot;The alternative is simply to hateful, deceitful, and bigoted to even consider for 10 seconds.&quot; </p>
<p>George said,   </p>
<p>&quot;hi, i don&rsquo;t hate gays, im not a biggot-just a guy who expressed his opinion by voting to ban gay marriage.&quot;  </p>
<p>The response he received from the kind, tolerant, open-minded,  peace-loving gay people on this post. </p>
<p>From Nikki, &quot;If it talks like a bigot and votes like a bigot, then it&rsquo;s a bigot &mdash; as are you, my dear unthinking, in-denial George.&quot;  </p>
<p>From Renee, &quot;What you ARE, dear George, is a deluded, unthinking, unfeeling idiot. Sorry, but it&rsquo;s so obvious; I just had to say it.&quot; </p>
<p>Robert states, &quot;And yet we&rsquo;re supposed to believe it&rsquo;s the Prop 8 defenders who are vulnerable and should be kept hidden from public view? Since that&rsquo;s a ridiculous idea, it should be obvious that their motives in wanting to close the trial and their donor lists and petition signer lists are primarily political in nature.&quot; </p>
<p>Now I could be wrong, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s George who looks &quot;hateful, deceitful, and bigoted &quot; in this post. And I&#039;m fairly certain that he has not been prompted in any way to rethink his position on this matter. </p>
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		<title>By: They&#8217;re Afraid Of Us &#171; Prop 8 Trial Tracker</title>
		<link>http://equalityontrial.com/2010/01/14/what-do-they-have-to-hide/#comment-196339</link>
		<dc:creator>They&#8217;re Afraid Of Us &#171; Prop 8 Trial Tracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I explained earlier this week, those concerns are worse than a joke &#8211; they&#8217;re an example of misdirection and [...] ]]></description>
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